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3.6 million UK voters are undecided
This is a non political comment, so I'm not promoting one party or another, not even discussing the party names.
According to the YouGov survey I just participated in (sample size over 3,000) 5% of the respondents don't plan to vote tomorrow, 88% have made their minds up on how they will vote, but a massive 8% haven't yet decided.
If this holds true for the population as a whole, out of the total of 45+ million voters, 3.6 million of them will wake up tomorrow, look out of the window, and only then somehow make their mind up. Will it be the sight of a black cat crossing the road? Or an eclipse of the sun that will finally make their mind up?
How representative is the sample? I should have thought those who were savvy enough to sign up for a smartphone app or use a web browser would be amongst the most decisive in the population.
The mind boggles.
(Please don't turn this into a political thread. No party names allowed!)
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In Australia, it is no problem being undecided, but if you want to stay out of the polling booth it will cost you a $50 fine. Sounds like it might be a good idea to bring that in in the UK. At least nobody can say that a particular outcome wasn't their fault because they didn't vote.
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There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics! You can speculate about hypothesised statistical analysis until your bum falls off but it won't change the outcome! 
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I liked the talking dog and stripping grannies but can live without yet another urban dance group/choir. Can't tell the difference between the soap box jokers though.
It's a NO from me.
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Democracy in action
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Originally Posted by Tim Cullis
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According to the YouGov survey I just participated in
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Why assume that each and every one responding to a survey tells their innermost thoughts, much less the truth of their real intentions.
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Can't tell the difference between the soap box jokers though.
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Nor I.
Nations get the politicians they deserve and this nation is pretty decrepit so, sure enough, the totally of politicians are equally decrepit and there isn't a Statesman among the lot of them.
So, there is nothing to pick between them, no matter what party they claim to have allegiance with.
The corollary is that it really doesn't matter who happens to be in government for another 5 years - ultimate control of the UK will come from elsewhere.
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It could be worse. You might have been unlucky enough to be born across the Atlantic and have to suffer the US election circus.
But hang on. I live way across the Pacific and we have to suffer through most of it. Probably a direct result of allowing Sesame Street into the country all those years ago.
Thankfully the UK process doesn't rate in the colonies so we are spared most of it unless we look at the Guardian on-line.
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It could be worse. You might have been unlucky enough to be born across the Atlantic and have to suffer the US election circus.
But hang on. I live way across the Pacific and we have to suffer through most of it. Probably a direct result of allowing Sesame Street into the country all those years ago.
Thankfully the UK process doesn't rate in the colonies so we are spared most of it unless we look at the Guardian on-line.
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I didn't even know an election was coming in UK. All we hear about is the new Baby girl. Is Bridget Jones' boy friend Mark running? 
You lot are doing much better than us, only 57% voted in US presidential election in '12. Lowest turnout since WW2. Think voting doesn't matter?
You just have no idea just how fooking crazy our nutjobs really are.
World War 3 ? They won't even hesitate.  (or ... as some X president who talks to God sez: "bring it on")
 War! ... it's what we do best!
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[U][B]3.6 million of them will wake up tomorrow, look out of the window, and only then somehow make their mind up. Will it be the sight of a black cat crossing the road? Or an eclipse of the sun that will finally make their mind up?
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Possibly a better way of deciding than listening to the election bs coming out from them all 
I voted last weekend as I have a postal vote, and then realised, shit, what happens if I see a black cat crossing the road on election day? and have already voted for the wrong person 
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.....a massive 8% haven't yet decided.
If this holds true for the population as a whole, out of the total of 45+ million voters, 3.6 million of them will wake up tomorrow, look out of the window, and only then somehow make their mind up. Will it be the sight of a black cat crossing the road? Or an eclipse of the sun that will finally make their mind up?
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I'm one of the 8% still wavering.
I have thought a lot about it - its a privilege and responsibility. 4 or 5 weeks ago I mapped out my priorities:
1. Manage the economy well
2. Don't spend what you haven't got (however worthy the cause)
3. Care for the vulnerable
4. Don't even start to think about cutting taxes until you've finished doing 3 above
No one party, in my view, represents that agenda as i would choose. I am in a 3 way marginal. The candidate i most respect is unlikely to win. The right tactical candidate for my requirements has fought a very negative campaign so i don't really want to vote for him. All in all a tough decision that i am still weighing.
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A fair and transparent election
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I'm one of the 8% still wavering.
I am in a 3 way marginal. The candidate i most respect is unlikely to win. The right tactical candidate for my requirements has fought a very negative campaign so i don't really want to vote for him. All in all a tough decision that i am still weighing.
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Apart from which, and just as a "for instance":
A vote in the Hebrides is worth about 5 times more than one in, say, the Isle of Wight.
About 22K voters in the north constituency have a member of parliament viz a viz the 110000 (or thereabouts) on the IoW who also have a single MP.
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Apart from which, and just as a "for instance":
A vote in the Hebrides is worth about 5 times more than one in, say, the Isle of Wight.
About 22K voters in the north constituency have a member of parliament viz a viz the 110000 (or thereabouts) on the IoW who also have a single MP.
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Thats why some people believe we should have proportional representation!
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I told my MP ( Ed Balls himself no less) I wanted direct democracy. An online vote for policies not parties or people. Would you believe he didn't agree? Could it be the huge salary, expense account and job security based on getting promoted to the house of lords might sway his thinking there?
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Not seen any black cats crossing the road yet today so it looks like my postal vote still stands correct 
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Incidentally, I have a postal vote but I shall deliver it by hand this time.
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Vote cast.
A vote for every party on the paper except for one of them.
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Originally Posted by Matty Gofun
Thats why some people believe we should have proportional representation!
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Exactly so.
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Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie
I told my MP ( Ed Balls himself no less) I wanted direct democracy. An online vote for policies not parties or people. Would you believe he didn't agree? Could it be the huge salary, expense account and job security based on getting promoted to the house of lords might sway his thinking there?
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The turkeys are never going to vote for Christmas to come early.
I once asked a lawyer acquaintance of mine why something or other was progressing so slowly (I forget what the issue was).
His reply: there is no money to be made from providing a quick answer.
I guess politicians follow a similar line of reasoning; actually many of them are lawyers aren't they? Maybe not the Lord Prescott.
Enough; the deed is done for another 5 years, or maybe not?
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I told my MP ( Ed Balls himself no less) I wanted direct democracy. An online vote for policies not parties or people. Would you believe he didn't agree? Could it be the huge salary, expense account and job security based on getting promoted to the house of lords might sway his thinking there?
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I'm sure you've already heard that Mr Balls has ballsed it up and is no longer on a fat salary and expenses. He may of course now be heading to the House of Lords.
It's said that politics is Hollywood for ugly people. That's certainly true in in red Ed's (x 2) case.
Gorgeous George got binned too. I wonder if he will now have others able to salute his indefatigability.
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