also go email fron Russ the producer says that he may be doing his own trip and with charlie on BAM 2 there stilllot happening and look forward to watching them

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Although, I'll agree that C+E are hardly hardcore! I have to give them credit for getting me off my back side and finally given it a go.
Sure, as soon as I started reaserching, I found out and read about (particularly in this site) about plenty of people out there that were really hardcore.
But hey, good on them! Not only can they afford to do it and enjoy it, but they're making money off it. And more importantly, they're giving motorcycle adventure huge exposure.

Cheers

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Flippin' eck.. is this thread still going? This subject has been round the world more times than Charley Boorman...

(or Austin Vince x)

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I'm one of those who watched "Long Way Round" and enjoyed it immensely.

It motivated me to walk the Uk's "Coast to Coast" in 12 days and that was a good adventure. I may only tour Scotland and soon Europe, on the bike, but I am content.

Ewan & Charlie may not be hardcore, but they are entertaining and are in the business of making programmes for us to watch. This necessitates the backup team and succeeds in its aims very well.

Nick Sanders made a DVD around his RTW speed record that was very interesting, but will never make the TV as it is bellow standard to broadcast and is not entertaining enough. That's because he has no crew to ensure the final product has quality and entertainment value. I think Nick is amazing but I use him to illustrate the point.

People set their own adventure. in their own comfort zones. Big, small, safe, dangerous, solo, group, it is still an adventure and a challenge for them. For me walking 190miles or biking 1,500miles was a challenge, and things seem to be getting bigger each year (next year 3,500miles Europe).

Comparing anyone famous or not, to the most hardcore solo RTWist on a limited budget is elitist and people should be respected for what they wish to do.

Whatever they do next i'll be watching and will buy the DVDs. They have introduced a generation to motorbikes in a very positive way and I salute them both.

Maxander

BRAVO! Well said.

That's the whole point .. we're all different. The trip that qualifies as a lifetime's adventure to me .. could be perceived as childishly simple/easy by another.




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Bravo +2, anything that encourages people to have a try is good.

What I'm less comfortable with is how people react to the details. From Maxander's other posts I detect (tell me if I'm wrong) that he's viewing this as a starting point and comes here to pick up other aspects. At the other end of the scale some clown will eventually get into big trouble when he's found a thousand miles from home with a part welded BM GS, half the Touratech catalogue and a signed photograph of EM/CB. This isn't the LWD/R boy's fault, it's how the media presents everything and how some people seem to soak it all in as fact. If the only result is Metal Mules costing £2000 a set because they are a must have for stockbrokers, so be it but I worry the effect will be worse.

I could criticise Chris Scott's book for now being used as a shopping list (not his fault, the lists are a useful starting point). Ted Simon was always more of a journalist on a bike not a biker (something he's said himself). Nick Sanders is ****ing dangerous and it's pure luck he isn't now a stain on some roadtrain or bit of armco, but lots of people ride like that and he's just a more famous example. They all got info out there and gave people ideas. The biggest issue with LWD/R is the shear size of it's profile because Ewan McGregor is an actor, it swamps the other sources and hence worries me.

I'll stick by the idea that if they'd made a Holywood feature film of Mondo Enduro the results would have been similar to LWD/R.

Andy

Agreed, but that's the commercial factor. They made LWR initially because they had a famous name to launch the project at the highest level, and without Ewan you could argue that it would never have been made at all.

You see the contrast between LWD/R RTD where there is obvious big sponsorship and career directors / producers on mainstream TV channels, and the amateur DVDs that would be lucky to make Men & Motors, Discovery Whatnot, or direct to DVD. It doesn't mean the amateur stuff isn't good, it's just more for the enthusiast fringe audience.

LWD was great entertainment and could not have been made any other way and still fit the mainstream market it was sold into.

Maxander

Yeppers, there's a world of difference in the promo world with the right personalities fronting / backing a film project. Take aussie Rossco's good work for instance. Rossco has put together a bloody brilliant promo of his adventure ride called "This Way Up". The download for which is here: http://www.radium.tv/thiswayup/This%...Up%20Promo.wmv

You can get the full story from this ADVrider thread, which you'll find self-explanatory. I piped-in on the thread with my tuppence-worth at post #55. [BTW, I am not a regular visitor or prolific poster on ADVrider, but I do hang-out there from time-to-time under the screen name 'Keef'.]

Ross &Co deserve a BIG break with this project, that's for sure. I'm certain he would appreciate your support .. and any constructive help /ideas /comments would no doubt go down well too.

I thought Rossco's project would be worth mentioning under this particular HUBB thread, as it's highly relevant IMHO.

Thanks

KEITH

PS - Incidentally, I have no commercial interest in "This Way Up" whatsoever.




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Just read on wikipedia that McGregor has confirmed Long Way To Go for June 2010, possibly South America.

Im actually excited. By Any Means 2 is quite enjoyable at the moment.

I thought so too, maybe it's because it's a part of the world that's not overly exposed, or maybe it because there's more bikes in it.

I'm kinda getting to like Charlie a bit more now.

I have it from the horses mouth ( well Ewan) this is happening in 2011. Thats all he would tell me.

Steven

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After LWR, Ewan and his wife went back to Mongolia and adopted a little orphan girl. That tells me all I need to know about the man.

And I'd ride or get drunk with Charley given the chance - he seems close enough to a "regular guy" for me.

There's a lot worse things than two guys promoting motorcycling in a positive light, however they choose to do it.

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bah Gum, if the next one is as Ewanised as Long Way Down, CB might as well stay at home. The McGregors Do SA, I doubt Charlie would put up with all the cr^p these days. I have Twittered VonPlanta and he has not given any indications for 2010 and CB is doing a UK tour.

Are we counting? Who cares. I've been on trips and half in jest said it was hardcore, extreme, carnage but in reality it wasn't I was just having a laugh and a joke. Some of it is on video. I hope I wont get any comeback from people counting how many "extreme carnage" references I make.

The E+C shows were just that. They were put on the telly for the masses who will never get on a bike but will enjoy the spectacle on their 42" plasma screens.

We are the converted. The TV viewing masses don't give a shit if there was a Ted, an Austin or Ghengis Khan who did the trip previously. They want good entertainment and all the fill in stuff such as the SAS training and prep was part of it. They knew it was not for real and the whole thing was stage managed but that is the TV industry. E&C are a bankable commodity and you don't send your Hollywood star off into the wilds without protecting that investment.

You can be hardcore all you like and die doing it because nobody other than your family gives a damn.

For good or bad the TV viewing masses are now more aware of Adventure Motorcycling thanks to E&C. Not the names we know like Ted or Chris and it doesn't matter because if people look upon us favourably then it matters not who the messenger was.

Just what he said.....