Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Chat Forum > The HUBB PUB
The HUBB PUB Chat forum - no useful content required!

BUT the basic rules of polite and civil conduct which everyone agreed to when signing up for the HUBB, will still apply, though moderation will be a LITTLE looser than elsewhere on the HUBB.
Photo by Paul Stewart, of Egle Gerulaityte - Must love Donkeys!

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Must love Donkeys!
Photo by Paul Stewart,
of Eglė Gerulaitytė with friends.



Like Tree4Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 18 Feb 2015
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: RTW
Posts: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by xfiltrate View Post
Let's not forget that the we have a State of Texas sized mass of litter, mostly plastic, floating in the middle of the Pacific Ocean..... Whats up with that?

xfiltrate
Only one? I have heard that there are actually three plastic swirls in Pacific ocean.
Checked this and looks like there is one in Pacific and two others in other oceans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_P..._garbage_patch
__________________
www.whereishemuli.eu
Riding round the World

Facebook:WhereIsHemuli
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 19 Feb 2015
mollydog's Avatar
R.I.P.
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: california
Posts: 3,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemuli View Post
Only one? I have heard that there are actually three plastic swirls in Pacific ocean.
Checked this and looks like there is one in Pacific and two others in other oceans Great Pacific garbage patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a very serious thing. Really sad! I heard a good radio Docu on the subject. All this plastic is honestly risking the future of our Oceans, killing them off ... and everything that lives in the Ocean.

Once the Oceans are gone ... humans are gone too. There is so little awareness of this. Sounds like it's time for a WORLD effort to clean up the garbage at sea! This is something we can actually do ... unlike Global Warming ... which is NOW TOO LATE TO REVERSE.

BTW, California and many US states charge a deposit for ALL ALU or plastic
containers. This is not new here ... at least 20 years old. There are recycling centers in most counties and cities where they BUY BACK Alu and plastic containers and then recycle it. This is a BIG BUSINESS!!

Here in California many poor and homeless survive collecting and then selling the plastic/Alu containers.

Also, now in parts of California and other states plastic bags are now OUT LAWED! NO MORE!

Now, most people bring in their own re-usable bags to the store. If you have no bag ... they sell you a paper bag or re-usable plastic bag.

Liter: Here, like much of the developed world, there is a HUGE fine for tossing liter out of your car. I think it's $1000 here. Tiny steps, but steps nonetheless. We could be doing a LOT MORE!
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 19 Feb 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemuli View Post
Plastic is good for some items, but I just cannot understand why everything needs to be wrapped in to it (like each candy inside a candy bag).
It just annoys me when there is a really beautiful scenery, but it is completely ruined by empty bottles, plastic bags, paper etc (like pan american highway on northern Peru).

I can understand in the cities if it is dirty because there is no proper handling of a trash, but I cannot understand adults in those areas who throw trash everywhere (from moving cars etc).

So sad to see these things
I remember reading an account of some guys travelling through the sahara. they stopped to look at some site of rock art and someone else that was there threw some rubbish on the floor.When they were admonished for it their response was 'why would I worry, I'm not coming here again'

As long as there are nobbers like that in the world, we haven't got a chance
__________________
1990 Landcruiser H60. Full rebuild completed 2014
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 19 Feb 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,232
The Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool. I shit you not, one of the dirtiest hotels I've ever stayed in!!
__________________
1990 Landcruiser H60. Full rebuild completed 2014
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 19 Feb 2015
Robbert's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Gent, Belgium
Posts: 523
about hotels...

About Hotels that must have been the hotel in Balakan, Azerbajzan. It's quite a few years ago now, so things will have changed.

The room hadn't seen any water for the last I don't know how many years. There was a pile in the toilet, everything was black and grubby (I mean everything).

Some people on the street new about the state of the rooms. They tought it was unacceptable for us to stay in that place and offerd us to stay in their home. We gladly accepted. All without common language.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 20 Feb 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: King's Lynn UK
Posts: 424
I don't know where I seen it, but it was a novelty bin. More like a goal netting by some traffic light's. More or less throw your rubbish in to the goal and a light show's goal. You would be surprised just how much was going in to the net. Bin men round empty netting, re set goal. A few more of them around and the place would be cleaner.
John933
__________________
To buy petrol in Europe. Pull up at station. Wait. Get out a 20 Euro note, then ask someone to fill up the bike. Give person money. Ride away. Simple.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 23 Feb 2015
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 6
My personal first prize for the most dirty and rubbished - up countries on the planet goes to....

Russia!

Not that it is actually the country with the most feces and plastic bags per sq mile along the highways, (Cambodia, India or Bangladesh get that prize), but Russia is the country where the people should KNOW better, and a country with huge resources where there IS money for garbage trucks, education and sanitation.

If you ride the moto along any major highway in Russia, stop and look behind ANY bus stop, it has been used as a latrine, for sure. I took quite a few pix, but posting them here would be tasteless.

If you look for a nice place to pitch your tent for the night in Russia (space enough there surely is) you WILL discover plastic rubbish behind every tree or bush where a local person has been before. The highways have trash stations every few miles where people are supposed to depose their rubbish, but almost always those stations are overflowing so much you can't make out the original containers.

Shame on the Russians! Pretty proud of their culture and education system, but there seems to be something lacking...
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 23 Feb 2015
Bush Pilot's Avatar
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Thailand
Posts: 85
I'd vote Thailand as one the nastiest rubbish dumps I've seen.

You don't notice it at first, most folks are reasonably tidy around their homes and shops, sweeping fastidiously.

But lately I've taken to riding the bicycle and from that vantage it's rather shocking how the Thai dump their garbage.

It's interesting to observe how the USA 40-50 years ago had some very active anti-littering TV campaigns. They actually worked IMHO. The USA is relatively litter free.

After Thailand I'd say Argentina is the nastiest. There they are fond of dumping dirty baby diapers at lovely scenic spots. You could just about count on seeing dirty diapers wherever you stopped. Once I passed through Buenos Aires whilst they were having a public worker strike. On every street corner were mountains of garbage, and it stunk to high heaven.

As to the OP's observations of Northern Peru I can't say I'd concur.
I've been through that area a time or two, and litter wasn't so visible.
Ya had to watch for corrupt police, they were waving at you regularly. I'd usually wave back an keep going. Occasionally I'd get trapped in a roadblock and have to show my papers. Speaking modestly fluent Spanish I'd ream the officers a new asshole for harassing tourists.(a good offense is the best defense)
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 23 Feb 2015
Jake's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
In 1979 whilst diving (working) under a ship in the port of Champa on the Ganges, apart from layers of black slime - god knows what it was made up of it was a filthy silage and rotten rubbish, plastic, leather and wood in the murky waters we also found two very decomposed bodies wrapped in shrouds trapped amongst some metal that had been dumped into the water. not a place for swimming the Ganges. !

Jake.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 23 Feb 2015
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: RTW
Posts: 517
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake View Post
In 1979 whilst diving (working) under a ship in the port of Champa on the Ganges, apart from layers of black slime - god knows what it was made up of it was a filthy silage and rotten rubbish, plastic, leather and wood in the murky waters we also found two very decomposed bodies wrapped in shrouds trapped amongst some metal that had been dumped into the water. not a place for swimming the Ganges. !

Jake.
Wow! Ganges must have been a real sewer...
It is still dirty, but should be cleaner than earlier.
__________________
www.whereishemuli.eu
Riding round the World

Facebook:WhereIsHemuli
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 23 Feb 2015
stuxtttr's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Lutterworth,Midlands, UK
Posts: 576
A bog in Goa, I kid you not I opened the door and nearly spewed, it was a squat that had obviously become blocked at some distant point in time but that hadnt put off about another fifty people from taking a ship in there and just adding to the mountain of excrement.

The mound of turd was level with my waste!!! they must have been some brave tall folk who helped shape that peice of arese art.

Taking the overnight train into Bombay was also an eye opener, as you get nearer to the city centre all the locals walk out to the railway lines and take their morning dump!! it's like welcome to Mumbai see a thousand bums before breakfast!!

then again the bogs at glastonburry aint much cop either!!
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 24 Feb 2015
Pumbaa's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: On our bicycles, probably pushing up a hill!
Posts: 435
Quote:
Originally Posted by idledriver View Post
May surprise people but Bali is a real dump, in Lovina I saw people just emptying trash bags into ditches and bushes.
Most of Indonesia is a dump. I never once went for a swim in the whole of the country when we cycled there. I saw what was in the rivers feeding the sea.
__________________
Jacques & Mandy with Pumbaa II
www.seeyouwhenwegetthere.com
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 3 Mar 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 679
India is beyond filthy in parts, I think that'll always be the worst in terms of plastic benig dumped everywhere. Someone said that it's due to the culture, i.e. old India before the economic changes caught up to her, had only organic waste so what was thrown away would always certainly be hoovered up by the cows, donkeys, etc, that graze all over urban areas. With the advent of plastics, the property of the waste changed but not the culture.

As for South America, Chile and Argentina are pretty okay but anywhere in closeness to urban zones will have apparently been visited by many freelance binmen, it's just feckless laziness and I hate it. Peru was the worst in this respect, I saw a bog literally dumped with a load of other crap in a national park, I was going to take a picture, but didn't even bother stopping. How sad.

But let's not forget Europe would be a dump if it were not for extensive campaigns by government, and local authorites who clean up after flytipppers. Likewise, we just sell much of our waste and dump it elsewhere, for little kids to shift through in China or Africa, etc. USA dumped tons of radioactive waste in barrels right off their ships, apparrently tens of thousands of tons, right up until the 80's. When I see all this crap by the side of the road, it's hard not to think of how many used oil filters, plasitc containers of oil, air filters, tires, tubes, etc, I've gone through just in a year out here.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 5 Mar 2015
Britabroad's Avatar
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Branson, Missouri
Posts: 12
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayjay View Post
No people no trash.
Well you must have plenty of trash over there Kayjay because you have quite a few inhabitants in your country....

The dirtiest place I have ever been to is Kathmandu in Nepal...

There is rubbish everywhere & on sidewalks & street corners, in the road & propped up outside buildings (mainly street shops).
The people seem to have no comprehension of tidiness, & have a disinterest in making their environment look better.
There is a river running through part of the city that has more rubbish in it than my local City trash dump here in Branson!
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 6 Mar 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Perth West Australia
Posts: 151
Pakistan

I've been into Peru, yes the north is sort of dirty with rubbish, India is filthy too but nothing in my mind beats filth of Pakistan. The buildings are dirty, the streets are dirty, even some of the cooks in roadside cafes are dirty. The walls of hotels are dirty, the appliances are dirty.

The streets are dirty due to lack of infrastructure but there is no excuse for simple things like beds, light switches, toilets etc being filthy.

Parts of India can be like that too.

Its nothing to do with poverty, it just needs soap and water. Contrast with central america where people arent exactly rich but the streets are swept cleaner than many places in Europe. They take pride in where they live.

On another note, I was looking to place a wrapper in India. I asked some local who said throw it on the street, I ended up having mild argument why the place was a tip. His response was "the government should do something". In reply, I was annoyed and told him that "No. You people should do something"!

enough of my waffle ... just my opinion and how I saw it.
__________________
Steven
Perth to Peru 2014 | Perth to Perth 2012
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Morocco: Where to stay - please contribute Chris Scott Sleep and Eat, Morocco 129 21 Jun 2024 10:50
A good place for a moto campside in Italy? - Where are well travelled routes? dakaralex Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else 2 10 Jun 2014 08:23
Ecuador, breathtaking place close to Quito motozen Sleep and Eat, South America 0 12 Nov 2012 20:46
Anyone know of an affordable place to rent in Medellin for a month? arooni SOUTH AMERICA 7 26 Apr 2012 01:10
Best place to learn kite surfing from Mexico => S. America? arooni Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else 0 16 Dec 2011 03:20

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

2025:

  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025!

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 21:28.