Now I know this is going to p**s someone off but the question has to be asked especially with the recent conflicts going on.

I often read about bikers and travellers planning RTW trips through some very remote and war torn countries. You seem to read more about their worries for bike insurance and visa applications than about their own safety.
The concern I have is that if something should happen to them e.g. kidnapping, what is their exit strategy to get out of the s**t. Do they expect the army to come and rescue them thereby endangering the soldier’s lives as well and what about the stress and worry of their families and relatives as well.

So the question is `do you have the right to potentially put other lives at risk to rescue you so that you can have bragging rights down your pub and in some forums?

It might not just be your life at risk?

Thoughts….

Having been to a few places my government would advise against I would say the real danger zones in countries that are in conflict are usually very small and localised and easily avoided if you listen to local advice. There is also the case when a country is so large, Sudan for instance before partition was the size of Western Europe, that you can pass through it without getting any closer than say France is to Portugal, a conflict in one of these places would not stop you going to the other.
For the question what would happen were I to be kidnapped I have no idea but wouldn't expect the SAS to come bursting through my prison door anytime soon and doubt anybody would risk their lives trying to rescue me, I wouldn't expect them to.
As to personal safety I think I am at more risk walking through the centre of any medium to large town in Britiain at 11 o'clock on a Saturday night than I have been on my travels, not wishing to make light of these events I think most travellers are more aware of their destinations and surroundings than you imagine.

It is very likely that the tone of your question is correct; most people don't consider the issues involved and this is fair enough - for each of the occasional cases of travellers getting into serious trouble there must be 1000s who complete their travels successfully (after all, that is what the travel insurance industry is very good at assessing and accounting for the wide range of risks involved).

In contrast, national governments do have their own individual policies concerning their citizens who get into trouble overseas, whether it be kidnapping ransom demands etc etc
Just absorb some of the news coverage about such events (e.g. the recent one in Algeria for a gas production plant) and "read between the lines" - governments do not always make a lot of publicity of their policies.

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Well there are two groups of people in the world:

The biggest group believes everything they hear without thinking about it, allows the government to cut there rights because of "terrorism" (even in Germany there was no terrorism at all), measures distances in the size of "socer fields" and invests its money in insurances. The biggest adventure in there live is to buy a coffee at Mc Donalds which comes with a warning: "Careful: Hot".

The second group uses there head to think about the reason why politics say something and give people in Africa etc. a chance before they say they are dangerous. This way they find out that sometimes people in Africa are more happy and friendly then we are in our modern money world...

Tobi

If I followed every 'arse covering' advice issued by my government, I would not have seen anything of the world. They have to be conservative, but as long as you are aware of conflicts and stay away from them, then you should be OK.

I have no exit strategy, but I am not travelling in any part of the world where there is open conflict.

Cheers
TS

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Should everyone stay at home?

Climbing a mountain even in the UK could put others lives at risk if they have to rescue you. Is that different? :confused1:

Same question at Do you have the right?

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I think that the OP's question is a good one and am surprised by the tone of some of the responses on this thread.

I think posters are focusing too much on whether or not they should listen to their govt's warnings about where not to go, rather than whether they "have the right" to go to places that are genuinely risky.

Whether or not someone "as the right" to go to such places, I think it is rather selfish to do so given the potential impact on family, rescuers, taxpayers, etc. And yes, it is a similar analysis as to whether people should venture out into the wild without adequate preparation and/or under particularly risky conditions.

ta-rider says that there are two groups of people in the world: those that believe everything they are told without thinking, and those that use their head. Actually, I think the groups are a bit different, as expressed in an ancient Roman saying: "Wisest are those who can give good counsel to others. Next are those who can accept the good counsel of others. Long last come the fools who cannot do either." It is the last group that usually ends up in trouble...

Hi,

Referig to the pub the tone was bad right from the begining

The question is how to define "risc". Is it a risc to smoke? Do people have the right to drink alcohol? Why should anyone have the right to drive a car at all?


No i dont want any "taxpayer" to mess around in my live. I did not ask them to. The rules are the same and everyone can decide what to do with his livetime...

Tobi

I have lived in many war thorn countries through out my life. As some people have said, most of the time the problem are localized in very precise areas. Listening to the advise of the local often permit you to avoid most of the problem. Your attitude and body language will also play a part. I don't think that any of us are idiot walking straight to the "kidnappers".

Then, I think you can skip the SAS scenario. More often your "kidnapping" will be resolve by negotiation and it will take time...
If it comes to SAS, or Rescue Team, people who do this job know that there is the risk they might die doing it. No one forced them to do a risky job.

And then there is the question of selfishness.
Ironically, I think that the people here, who go around the world in motorcycle, have all accepted to live their life to the fullest. We are not eternal and what we love doing has high risk: Every time we go ride it might be the last time. There is more chance of you dying in an accident.
Now, the question would be if you died in an accident would you have been selfish toward your family/friends/taxpayer ( yes, they pay, the embassy that will surely have to work on your case if you end up in a coffin)?

In the end: "It is better by noble boldness to run the risk of being subject to half the evils we anticipate than to remain in cowardly listlessness for fear of what might happen." Herodotus

The way you phrase your post suggests that you would only visit a 'dangerous' place to brag about it, and that you view the world in a rather black-and-white way, i.e. 'I will not get killed in county X, but I might get killed in country Y'.

I think far more 'adventure' motorcyclists come to grief from accidents rather than conflict or kidnapping. It's not exactly the safest of hobbies, is it?

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