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I could write a chapter on the overwhelming hospitality I have received in Italy alone, without a doubt one of the friendliest and most helpful countries I've travelled
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WTF are you writing???
Are you telling me all the crime comes from people who comes from outside Italy????
This is one of the craziest thing I ever read.
There is crime from italians, and there is crime from foreigners, as in all the western counties


First of all, you can tell WTF to a friend of yours or to a member of your family, not to me.
I don’t know you, so please calm down and use some other expressions. Thanks heaps.


Second, I don’t say that all of the crime we have here comes from outside our boundaries, maybe I was not clear and I apologize with everybody.


I can say that the weakness of our Laws is not a deterrent for any kind of outlaw, be them from Italy or from outside Italy.


We have enough of our criminals, without the necessity to import others from abroad and let them understand (which is what’s happening in these years) that they can do whatever they want.


Does is sound better now?
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Northrrn Italy been around the canazei area every year since 2008.
Never chained my bike up left stiff in my tent left say nav on the bike left the keys in the bloody thing overnight as well.
We were say in a bar in canazei at closing time the owner just walked out with the rubbish leaving us in the bar with the till all the drinks ect. This is add it should be.
Never had a problem in Europe and ive traveled a fair bit of it. Big cities and some really out of the way places.
Canazei is one of the safest places ive ever been.
I would never leave anything on my bike in the UK and it is always locked to something very solid with a fu.koff big chain at All times.
Don't ever bother taking a chain with me anymore when I go out of the UK.
Picture of how we left our bikes parked up as we went for coffee in northern Italy.
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First of all, you can tell WTF to a friend of yours or to a member of your family, not to me.
I don’t know you, so please calm down and use some other expressions. Thanks heaps.


Second, I don’t say that all of the crime we have here comes from outside our boundaries, maybe I was not clear and I apologize with everybody.


I can say that the weakness of our Laws is not a deterrent for any kind of outlaw, be them from Italy or from outside Italy.


We have enough of our criminals, without the necessity to import others from abroad and let them understand (which is what’s happening in these years) that they can do whatever they want.


Does is sound better now?
Sorry for the rude writing but I was very badly surprised from your previous post.
It sounded like you were saying all the crime is arriving from the "scum from some other countries".
Yes, it does sound better now.
Thanks for clarifying
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Sorry for the rude writing but I was very badly surprised from your previous post.
It sounded like you were saying all the crime is arriving from the "scum from some other countries".
Yes, it does sound better now.
Thanks for clarifying



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I ve been in northern Italy (Dolomites)...
You're referring to Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, I presume? Isn't that part of Austria, not Italy (now I will duck and run for cover...)

On a more serious note, I rode Italy from top to bottom (Milan to Sicily and back) a couple of years ago. All in all, it was a pleasant trip. As you move from north to south, the demographics change and the level of prosperity changes. As a result, one needs to be a little bit more prudent as you move towards the south (especially in large cities) than, for example, up north in small villages in the Dolomites.

It's really no different than how you would need to adapt in any other country - for example, the level of prudence required in downtown Detroit or the south side of Chicago is different than what is required in Montana or Salt Lake City.

Trust your instincts and you will do fine.
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Italy is a nice country.. I'd have spent more time there .. but it was cold and wet .. winter. So it was a a fairly fast tour. I'd spent spring in Scandinavia, summer in Britain, Belgium, France, Germany and on to Turkey.. When it snowed on the hills just outside my tent door in Greece I retreated back through Italy, France Spain France, Britain (got rid of the bike) and took a flight to some where warm .. Sir Lanka!

By the time I'd got to Italy I'd experienced some thefts .. so was well prepared for anywhere .. be it Britain, etc. Thefts can happen at home, work etc. My 'instincts' don't work so well in 'strange' cultures. Take care but get out and enjoy!
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There is an interesting article on the English language website of Der Spiegel that might help explain some of the issues that Italy (especially the southern part of Italy) is facing so far as crime, security, theft, and overall social problems are concerned. Here's the link: Europe's African Refugee Crisis: Is the Boat Really Full?

The gist of the story is that more than 100,000 people per year from Africa (primarily sub-Saharan Africa) are arriving in southern Italy each year as asylum seekers or economic refugees. Even though the majority of these migrants may be "inherently good people" (I say this meaning that the majority are not a priori criminals or dishonest folks), the unfortunate reality is that they can't find work and when someone has an empty belly and an opportunity for petty theft presents itself - well, anyone reading this can do the math and figure out what is going to happen next.

I recommend the above article to anyone planning to visit Italy, I think it will help readers to understand the broader context and causal factors that give rise to petty crime in Italy today.

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