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Facebook relies on automated admin systems for things like that, it's not unique to FB ... a very long time ago I worked for North Lincs council and their own email system would repeatedly block mails that mentioned the largest town in their catchment area - Scunthorpe.
Your miffed Muffed friend is an unfortunate victim of technology, unfortunately it's part of life these days (especially when said technology is run out of the US, they have funny ideas about naughty words)
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If it's a septic Flakebook algorithm that allows UK and US election interference, then I'll take my fanny pack and see myself out. A German female friend writing in English recently accidentally had the typo "hoe" in her FB question and got a 7 day ban 
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If its set up to use Facebook Keywords to reduce spam theres nothing that can be done. But admin can deactivate this function and set their own key words.
Facebook's Admin Assist is garbage compared to active human moderation. The scammers and bots know how to get around the auto systems.
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True, but manual moderation is a huge timesink on such a system due to the vast quantity of people and bots. Message boards are the way of the future!
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If its set up to use Facebook Keywords to reduce spam theres nothing that can be done. But admin can deactivate this function and set their own key words.
Facebook's Admin Assist is garbage compared to active human moderation. The scammers and bots know how to get around the auto systems.
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I'd LOVE to have someone supply the PERFECT keywords list. 
A LOT of the issue is country of origin - words in A are NOT acceptable in B etc.
Case in point: "fanny pack" in North America is perfectly normal and acceptable as a name for a waist pack. I was mortified to discover what it meant in UK. How do you moderate that?
MUFF: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what%27s+a...=v320-1&ia=web
Yes it clearly has other meanings, but again, how to you moderate that?
I'd accept both words without thinking about it, (and unthinkingly offend someone in the UK) but it's impossible for me and every other moderator to read every single post - especially without duplicating the effort. We MUST rely on automation. Yup, you'll get bit on occasion. IF I could do it all better, trust me I would.
What's that old phrase? "Grin and bear it". 
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Absolutely, there's loads of words in common use here that would get you in trouble in Central/South/Caribbean America ... heck there's several old-fashioned women's names that are considered swearwords in other countries 
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Absolutely, there's loads of words in common use here that would get you in trouble in Central/South/Caribbean America ... heck there's several old-fashioned women's names that are considered swearwords in other countries |
Some people get very easily offended. If I put my mind to it, I could (pretend to) be offended by everything I see/ hear/ read/ feel. My life would get rather one dimensional pretty quickly.
If there's an 18+ age limit on the page, humanly intelligent human mods can censor genuinely deliberately offensive/ racist language etc. along with the usual spam/ irrelevant stuff.
Claiming that everyone is too busy and you should suck up your 2+ day automated Jap, Muff and fanny (pack) FB jail time, is an excellent way of making people vote with their feet to go elsewhere.
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I'd LOVE to have someone supply the PERFECT keywords list.
A LOT of the issue is country of origin - words in A are NOT acceptable in B etc.
Case in point: "fanny pack" in North America is perfectly normal and acceptable as a name for a waist pack. I was mortified to discover what it meant in UK. How do you moderate that? |
Any human who isn't a complete half wit would know how to moderate it... If the discussion is regarding bags, it's ok. If it's clearly regarding a part of the female anatomy, it's not. If you don't have enough "intelligent" humans and are relying on artificially retarded (also not an ok word...) computer algorithms, then good luck!
Employ more "normal" humans? Divide them by their linguistic/ tech/ geographical etc knowledge? Start off by not accepting any FB contributions not in English, unless you have native speaking Germans/ Spanish/ Italian/ French etc. as mods
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I know that was a rhetorical question but I'll give my 2p's worth. Some words are aggressive and/or offensive in any version of the English language and we all know that. But some words either have innocuous meanings or are such mild swears that it's ridiculous to pick up on those. To use your own example, "Fanny" has different meanings in English and American vernacular, and it's also a perfectly valid name in Europe. We are all grownups here and don't need to be treated like small children in the company of a maiden aunt to spare her an attack of the vapours. My opinion is your keyword list needs to be seriously revisited - even if only to decline a post rather than sin-bin the poster. And if you don't have time to do that I'm happy to volunteer my services. IMHO in a healthy forum people shouldn't have to be walking on eggshells.
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Ok, who is going to pay a real person to sit at a computer all day to moderate the HU FB page and do all the background checks for new members?
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Ok, who is going to pay a real person to sit at a computer all day to moderate the HU FB page and do all the background checks for new members?
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There are currently already 3 admins and 6 moderators on HU FB. I presume they're volunteers. Click on the "About" button in the FB app. It isn't just GJ on his own.
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Facebook relies on automated admin systems for things like that, it's not unique to FB ... a very long time ago I worked for North Lincs council and their own email system would repeatedly block mails that mentioned the largest town in their catchment area - Scunthorpe.
Your miffed Muffed friend is an unfortunate victim of technology, unfortunately it's part of life these days (especially when said technology is run out of the US, they have funny ideas about naughty words)
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Oddly enough you can mention the above town on other pages, as my *cough* friend did on his own travel blog last year, and there's a thread on the HU page yesterday with contributions from several folk fresh out of FB jail who have no idea what they even said wrong. Something's fishy.
You still can't mention baked meatballs of pork and offal wrapped in bacon though.
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Turbofurball is bang on with his responses. There is only so much we can do, and when there's 150 - 200 people asking to join in a day, and every one has to manually checked and confirmed, it's a LOT of work for the mods. Could it be better - sure, replace Zuck with me or a 10 year old with morals and it'd be better - but that's not likely to happen. So we live with it.
It's not as if FB jail is permanent or expensive. And we have ours set to two days. A smidgen of patience is all that's needed.
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Her responses, but thank you
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It's not as if FB jail is permanent or expensive. And we have ours set to two days. A smidgen of patience is all that's needed.
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It's not the jail period that miffs me, it's the stupid things that get automodded and result in it. See OP for example. And I just got slammed back in (for three days BTW, not two) for mentioning "J*p Cr*p" in the context of a genuine discussion about the improving standards of Chinese bikes. And yet outright prejudice against entire nations goes unremarked. It's prudish to the point of being completely inappropriate, it has been remarked on by others so it's not just me upset. I like to think I'm an active and constructive contributor but this does nothing to encourage it.
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