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The trick IMHO is to laugh and walk away (or better still find common ground with the ones who are prepared to admit that what's right for them doesn't work for you).
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Now that is the ticket . Unfortunately, a lost art, mastered by only a few...
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Well, I'm not ready to blow Starbucks off because of the article in the link you posted.
Most of the world was not prepared for what was happening that day. No corporate guideline or procedure was in place to deal with this unthinkable atrocity. People were dumbfounded, helpless, confused.
Other corporations reacted in a similar way like Starbucks. I had a personal experience with a rent-a-car company, who threatened to press charges if I didn't return the car as scheduled to the location stipulated in the rental agreement. I was stuck at a trade show in Las Vegas and drove 2,000 miles back to Atlanta, GA, collecting co-workers along the way, taking them home. I told the rental car place to "stick it".
As it turned out, all rent-a-car companies ended up not charging customers for "exotic" drop-off locations or excessive mileage. But, at the time, they did not know how to deal with the situation in the beginning either.
In the end, corporations are run by people. People, who in my opinion are entitled to make mistakes, especially when they correct them later. In distress situation, people cling to what they know. Only a minority of a few blessed folks can think on their feet without orders, guidelines and directions when disaster strikes. Could Starbucks have reacted faster? - properly they could have.
Just my $0.02 on that subject...
...and, cheers !
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Bloddy hell, lol I would be happy with just a garage. Its crap working on the bike on the patio when its cold and wet and you cant feel your fingers. maybe thats why I put six holes in a new inner tube replacing a soddding slow puncture!!
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I have a heated garage, but almost never wash my bikes, except in preparation for maintenance. I don't care what they look like...I'm more intrigued with what the surrounding countryside looks like when I'm out riding.
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Lol (as they say in txt-land)
These kind of 'discussions' all end up on here, don't they? And I think it's all been covered, but to me, buying a new BMW with all the trick parts and never using it for what it was designed for is just the same as buying a watch that tells the time in 45 countries, a computer that has the same memory capacity as Stephen Hawkins or a mobile phone that has so many applications it can probably make tea.
And we're all guilty of that, aren't we.
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Touratwat warriors in pristine clown suits are a subject for pity ,BUT are a good source for little used second hand bikes and gear .
All in all, they should be encouraged .
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Touratwat warriors in pristine clown suits are a subject for pity ,BUT are a good source for little used second hand bikes and gear .
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Very true... My Arai Tour-x cross came from such a rider. Brand new, £130
"Selling my brand new Tour-X as it doesn't match my new luggage - Only worn once from the Ewan and Charlie book signing day"
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Touratwat warriors in pristine clown suits are a subject for pity ,BUT are a good source for little used second hand bikes and gear .
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I like that one Dodger....very true.......let them take the depreciation before they sell it to us !
The way I look at it is, that let them farkle away with there machines, each one on a shiny GS means theres one less cage driver out there pulling out/turning in front of us without looking/indicating/checking blindspots etc - and at the end of the day I still wave to anyone I see coming the other way on a bike.
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Touratwat warriors in pristine clown suits are a subject for pity ,BUT are a good source for little used second hand bikes and gear .
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I'm surprised at the level of hatred for Touratech stuff. I dont have any myself as the prices are ridiculous, but why do people get so vicious about it? It's like some debates on BMWs. Is it an antiGerman thing? I hope not: that would also be nasty.
T/tech doesnt do clown suits I think,or waxed cotton, but they might if vintage enthusiasts asked them.
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I'm surprised at the level of hatred for Touratech stuff. I dont have any myself as the prices are ridiculous, but why do people get so vicious about it? It's like some debates on BMWs. Is it an antiGerman thing? I hope not: that would also be nasty.
T/tech doesnt do clown suits I think,or waxed cotton, but they might if vintage enthusiasts asked them.
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I can only speak for myself but I think many will be in agreement:-
As overland bikers, we tend to like and look out for other overland bikers. Novices or experts.
Touratech and BMW overcharge and exploit us with their rediculous prices and bullsh**t "must have" marketing.
Those who know better are just looking out for those who don't !! One could say just trying to deter would be overlanders from wasting half their travel budget on overpriced useless crap or on bikes that are really not designed for anything but going for frothy coffees.
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I just made the terrible mistake of returning to a BMW GS forum and actually reading a few topics posted there. It's not new to me that users there seem to be more concerned with looks of their superdupermegaexpensive bike & gear than anything else. After all that was one of the reasons why I swore never to return. However, some have managed to take it to the next level by actually asking about how to maintain, service, clean and polish their panniers (!!!!) so they still look new after two or three years. I actually had to read it twice to realize they were really talking about aluminium panniers, and how some GS riders seem to clean and polish them together with their bike after every rideout... now, the crazy thing was not somebody asking that question but the fact that immediately he received several answers how others do it, what they use to keep their panniers new and shiney, etc.
Out of interest I kept reading and looking for older threads, and realized that either the world around me has gone crazy or I have. Granted, there were no wannabe adventurers among the freakazoids (for those not getting this reference I'm referring to Ted's rant about wannabe adventurers in the Charley & Ewan thread) but your regular sunday-afternoon-ice-cream-parlor-posers who obviously need a fully equipped brand-new GS Adventure for that dangerous all-paved 2km trip from the heated garage (no kidding, there's people who actually have a heated garage for their GS so it won't "freeze"...) to the local strip.
Am I crazy for not having a heated garage, for not cleaning and polishing my bike after every rideout and for not being concerened about the looks of my Tesch aluminium panniers? What happened here, has it always been like that? I'm new to the GS world and used to ride a '89 Tenere until last November, so this is all very unfamiliar to me.
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The BMWGS site has no crap on it and there are only about 20 regular riders that plan ride out's and post on that site.
maybe you mean uk gser or gs uk site's ?
I think most bike forums have a large number of Kn'bs on them.
But,live and let live ,you don't have to meet them and ride with them.
That said I spent today cleaning the spokes on my bike and thinking of buying a £1000 Klim jacket....{ my arse }
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Touratech and BMW overcharge and exploit us with their rediculous prices and bullsh**t "must have" marketing.
Those who know better are just looking out for those who don't !! One could say just trying to deter would be overlanders from wasting half their travel budget on overpriced useless crap or on bikes that are really not designed for anything but going for frothy coffees.
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Well, gee, that's a rather patronizing attitude. To say that BMW bikes and a lot of TT gear is "overpriced useless crap" or "not really designed for anything for going for frothy coffees" is simply ludicrous. You really consider that helpful to anyone?
Sure, a lot of people go overboard on TT stuff, or indeed bike prep in general, but if you want to help other bikers, give detailed comments about what does and doesn't work (like the recent report on the BMW 650 not faring well in Africa), rather your exaggerated, useless ranting.
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Well, gee, that's a rather patronizing attitude. To say that BMW bikes and a lot of TT gear is "overpriced useless crap" or "not really designed for anything for going for frothy coffees" is simply ludicrous. You really consider that helpful to anyone?
Sure, a lot of people go overboard on TT stuff, or indeed bike prep in general, but if you want to help other bikers, give detailed comments about what does and doesn't work (like the recent report on the BMW 650 not faring well in Africa), rather your exaggerated, useless ranting.
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Do you ride a 1200GS ?? Probably !
And if you think TT isn't WAY overpriced and mostly totally useless "image accessory" junk then we're never going to see eye to eye !
Patronising ? I don't think so..... i was just answering Caminandos question. Just my opinion. No one has to listen.
And aren't we in the HU Bar ?? It's not intended to be helpful or unhelpful to anyone !
Ride safe ! Ted
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Do you ride a 1200GS ?? Probably !
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actually, I have both a GS and a GSA (different locations), love them both...
I would agree that in many cases there are better choices than TT (including buying nothing), but sometimes not. And sure, some of their stuff is not particularly useful, but the same is true of most of what we spend our money on. If I can buy some hard part for $50 that will reduce the chances of me breaking down in the middle of nowhere in Russia, in many cases I'll do, because it beats the alternative.
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Do you ride a 1200GS ?? Probably !
And if you think TT isn't WAY overpriced and mostly totally useless "image accessory" junk then we're never going to see eye to eye !
Patronising ? I don't think so..... i was just answering Caminandos question. Just my opinion. No one has to listen.
And aren't we in the HU Bar ?? It's not intended to be helpful or unhelpful to anyone !
Ride safe ! Ted
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Tourated.
It did not take alot of working out that he rides, or has ridden a GS1200, its in his profile!
I once had a set of TT panniers that I loved, the only reason I got rid of them was that I could not get a sensible price on a piece of shite called a F650 Funduro until I advertised the bike with the panniers.
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