13Likes
|
|
8 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 1,785
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnTyx
Then the manufacturer can just certify it for both models, in the same way that a single oil filter is certified to work on almost any car.
.
|
An oil filter is not a type approved item and manufacturers don't approve anything. Self certification is the US model.
The manufacturer makes the vehicle and must then present it to a technical authority. VCA in the UK, RDW in the Netherlands, one of the TUV's in Germany etc. They assess the vehicle for compliance against their interpretation of the EU and national standards. This allows for some variation, the Spanish for example being much faster and less picky and TUV Wolfsburg being the place to go for emissions checks
An oil filter would never be failed as a stand alone item. The vehicle might be failed if something risked cutting open the filter or the function caused emissions or noise problems.
A parts supplier mostly has no requirement to do any approval, you can fit a Chinese bean can stuffed with rags instead of that oil filter in most EU countries . A inspection might fail it for leaks or emissions, but if knock offs work you can use them . On some products like tyres and brake linings you have to do testing to show you meet the same criteria as the OE fit, a component approval . The component manufacturer does this, usually by back to back testing. Most vehicles are type approved with two or more of these in case a supplier burns down. Mostly the controls are on advertising descriptions , you can offer can-stuffed-with-rags legally but not Honda oil filter.
Where the EU is heading is stopping this and not letting you legally fit the Chinese rubbish oil filter regardless of if yours happens to work.
Why would BMW help you fit Michelin tyres at £60 a go when its then illegal to fit anything except the Conti's they or Continental themselves only have available at £200 each? The chip in the tyre is coded to the TPMS and that must work. Intellectual property rights reinforce their right to refuse to hand over the chip code to Michelin. A monopoly on spares is created. BMW isn't going to do the work to approve an extra knobbly set of tyres for a handful of buyers who want to go off road.
Andy
|
8 Mar 2021
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie
Why would BMW help you fit Michelin tyres at £60 a go when its then illegal to fit anything except the Conti's they or Continental themselves only have available at £200 each? The chip in the tyre is coded to the TPMS and that must work. Intellectual property rights reinforce their right to refuse to hand over the chip code to Michelin. A monopoly on spares is created. BMW isn't going to do the work to approve an extra knobbly set of tyres for a handful of buyers who want to go off road.
|
We've had this conversation before, and I will say it again: the EU is the one that's actually preventing monopolies like that.
|
9 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Middleham, Yorkshire, England
Posts: 14
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant Johnson
...ended up riding right through to Costa Rica, and literally coasted into the first gas station and stopped nicely at the pumps, bone dry.
|
Travelling from the UK to Australia using a standard-tanked R100 BMW we ran out of fuel just once - slap bang in the middle of the biggest railway level crossing I've ever seen, near the Hooghly railway staion in the middle of Calcutta!
We did carry a couple of 5 litre jerry-jugs, (later replaced with a couple of 5 litre wine bags) for the long runs but other than down the Stuart highway they were rarely filled. Oh, that reminds me: We ran out of fuel along there too, but SOP was that the petrol stove always got refilled after use and emptying that back into the tank was just enough to make the 2-3 miles remaining to the next roadhouse; as with you in CR, it spluttered as we turned onto the forecourt and a promptly engaged clutch allowed us to roll up to the pump.
__________________
BobnLes
|
9 Mar 2021
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Belper, uk, EUROPE
Posts: 563
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie
Why would BMW help you fit Michelin tyres at £60 a go when its then illegal to fit anything except the Conti's they or Continental themselves only have available at £200 each? The chip in the tyre is coded to the TPMS and that must work. Intellectual property rights reinforce their right to refuse to hand over the chip code to Michelin. A monopoly on spares is created. BMW isn't going to do the work to approve an extra knobbly set of tyres for a handful of buyers who want to go off road.
Andy
|
My laser printer knows when I have a generic cartridge in but it still works. If they were allowed to switch off the printer I suspect that they would as they make their money from selling the replacement cartridges rather than the printer. I suspect that the same is true if automotive industry - the EU is stopping them exploiting their position.
__________________
You will have to do without pocket handkerchiefs, and a great many other things, before we reach our journey's end, Bilbo Baggins. You were born to the rolling hills and little rivers of the Shire, but home is now behind you. The world is ahead.
|
10 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Oxford UK
Posts: 2,116
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay_Benson
My laser printer knows when I have a generic cartridge in but it still works. If they were allowed to switch off the printer I suspect that they would as they make their money from selling the replacement cartridges rather than the printer.
|
Isn't that what happened with some inkjet printers about 10yrs or so ago - they chipped the cartridges to stop you using either aftermarket ones or refilling your own. How did that work out?
|
10 Mar 2021
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by backofbeyond
Isn't that what happened with some inkjet printers about 10yrs or so ago - they chipped the cartridges to stop you using either aftermarket ones or refilling your own. How did that work out?
|
The EU told them they couldn't.
|
10 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 276
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark manley
I would say it is more about range and a minimum of 200 miles/320kms is enough in most parts of the world now with another 50miles/80km needed in a few other places.
Bikes are more economical now and those large tanks were needed on airhead BMWs which only did 50 mpg on a good day but some modern medium sized bikes can do 80 mpg.
|
That's a fair assessment.. there isn't that many places where you need 250mi+ range. Still IMO 701LR got it right. For one, even if gas available there could be issues with quality, and on some remote vistas you not only need fuel to get there, but also need to carry extra to be able to turn back at any point.
|
10 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Oxford UK
Posts: 2,116
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnTyx
|
Good result then. Been a while since I had to buy any.
|
10 Mar 2021
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 1,785
|
|
Ink cartridges aren't safety items.
Andy
|
11 Mar 2021
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Belper, uk, EUROPE
Posts: 563
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie
Ink cartridges aren't safety items.
Andy
|
Clearly you have never seen my wife when the printer stops printing. That is a safety item.
__________________
You will have to do without pocket handkerchiefs, and a great many other things, before we reach our journey's end, Bilbo Baggins. You were born to the rolling hills and little rivers of the Shire, but home is now behind you. The world is ahead.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|