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Let's chuck in another factor/discussion point just because I like a fight

You still meet riders who genuinely believe the "carbs are simple" and "Blacksmiths in Umbongoland stock KLR parts" that used to appear in how to books and articles. The fact my 2022 Guzzi has an OBD port my phone will read from while carrying a set of vacuum gauges is impractical still seems to cut no ice in some quarters.

I'm very much in the buy a Brazilian made 125 like the locals ride when you get there camp, and won't be dealing with 30 year old bodges on any terms except as a wet sunday afternoon puzzle while drinking tea and listening to the test match, but each to their own of course.

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There is a lot of wisdom in your words.

There is definately a lot of lip service with the "Carbs can be fixed by a laymen using old rope and a camping spoon"

And of course, you'd be very unlucky for your new £10,000 Jap bike to seriously let you down away from home. Even a technical annoyance can usually be worked around or ignored.

However, bikes from the 90's, 00's WERE simpler. And simple is better when things don't work as they should.

So I think it's got little to do with the age. But simplicity.

No one is going to fix a canbus control unit without a modern workshop. Modern bikes are complicated. And daunting. Where do you even start on a modern bike when it doesn't work. I do this for a living and it doesn't really get any easier.

However, you can bodge up a traditional wiring loom fairly easily. A carb is easy to clean once you've done it once.. And they really are reliable if you don't feed them with shitty fuel.

I know id rather clean out a carb jet than have to deal with a faulty fuel pump or a servo valve controlled secondary throttle butterfly if I'm away from home.

A CDI ignition system is collection of simple easily replaced parts. Even a complete novice can keep swapping relatively inexpensive parts until it works again.

If you have a "No-spark" on a modern GS, you're pretty much f**ked. Although that is rare.

And then there is the romantisism with older bikes. No cruise control, no ABS, no power modes, no Hi-def 24" 4K monitor as a dashboard telling you your lean angle and average fart temperature.

Just plodding along down the road without feeling like you're riding an Iphone with wheels..

There is a lot of value in that alone.
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The modern bikes are mostly quite reliable, but to service them is a real pita
Four years ago I sold my trusty R80GS with 200 k kms on the clock and still good for many more kms. For that I bought a „modern“ F650GS twin. Naturally, in comparison the little twin was much easier to ride, weighing less, having a proper suspension, more power and is much more economic on fuel. But to check the valves the old GS took less than 20 minutes, but the new twin takes hours. You have to strip the fairings, remove battery, airbox and spark plugs. And then there is hardly enough space to remove the valve cover.
IMO the bigger problem is to find an old bike that is still in a good condition and with low mileage for long distance travel. That is what makes them more expensive....
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And they don't seem to be be tailing off !!

It wasn't just the pandemic !!

Holiday season boredom has me scouring the usual places. And wow. Prices of our favourite classics are really going crazy.

One bike I've really noticed commanding high prices is the XT600E 4PT. You'll now pay £3000 for a twenty year old model. In good condition that is.

You can't seem to even find a decent 750 Africa Twin for under £5000.

DRZ400s have been expensive for a few years now.

It seems people are now understanding the real value and rarity in these simple, rugged 'do everything' bikes that are engineered to last and are easy to service. Especially as modern bikes are getting more complicated and expensive.

I wish I'd bought more of them when they were cheap.
It's not the bikes getting more expensive, it's the money are getting cheaper since they printed it so much.

Also it is a known fact that during recession prices on used vehicles go up.
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