Any thoughts?

C*NTS.

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the purpose of such a system totally escapes me...i don't get it?? why would they want/need to track motorcyles? what about delivery vans, hybrid vehicles, or 1960s era VW beetles? the safety aspect sounds ridiculous, as you could probably ask any local policeman or ambulance crew member and get the same information...

exactly... it is prejudicial persecution, hence the tone of my initial reply.

Just because the technology is there and it's feasible doesn't mean they should do it... but then there is a lot of money in government contracts...

Surely if the sensors can detact a motorcycle, that ought to be enough for gathering 'statistics' - why the hell should they also record your numberplate, eh?

CCTV, Speed Cameras, National Databases... none of these things significantly curb criminal activity, or make the world a safer place - they are mearly used to control and oppress the innocent who comply... and we let this happen time and time again...

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Simply because it has nothing to do with statistic gathering. Although our government is pretty much obsessed with statistics even though time and time again their statistics are proven wrong or inadequate.

What baffles me completely is that they are currently trying to push through a plan to put GPS devices in all vehicles for their tax by road plan. So why do you need sensors in specific locations when every vehicle will be monitored 100%

Seems to me like it is a stop gap, a small little step so that when it comes to getting the GPS thing confirmed they can say: "Well you know it isn't so different from what we do already so what is the big deal"

Summer of Rage this year huh? Maybe we can add one more thing to rage about. A huge organised vehicle protest on the streets of Britain. Not just bikes but cars and trucks too. Everyone who owns a vehicle is getting screwed slowly up the ass and we're doing nothing about it!

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So lets get out there, rip the things out of the ground and throw the bits at any passing coppers until they have to call the army out. Trouble is, if you do, the great British public will be happy when you get thrown in jail and every politician in the country will rally round saying how much we love the cameras and then go off to develop a sex detecting radar so they can tax that as well.

We get the government we deserve.

Andy

At the moment this has got to be to expensive to be opened out beyond a trial area, more so with the current way the country is bleeding money. That said lets look at why someone somewhere in Government feels its cost effective and worth the bother - so start by looking at the percieved problem - On sunny sundays the part timers pour out of there wet weather hideaways dragging with them the latest model of race bike wearing the latest designer leather, helmet, sunglasses the loudest pipe on the bike and sandpapered off tyres edges and knee scrapers - they then ride without care for themselves or anyone else making loads of noise, racing everyother race rep on the already crowded roads pushing in overtakes on blind bends and summits cross over solid white lines and generally being arses. After the 30 mile blast a pose at some local coffee shop they go back the other way. The roads they use are often practiced like a race track so they feel they know every bit of the road (Thus the reason certain roads are targeted) often they push too hard and crash often badly - at huge costs to the NHS, and emergancy services not to mention the innocent person coming the other way - someone then has to pick up the pieces and go tell wife , kids mother, father your son /husband etc is dead / maimed. These riders bring about the complaints from the public and as a result the policing and Legislation which we percieve as predjudice. In actual fact policing is target led without a target its a non starter - this is simply targeting a problem just like that of Boy racers and drunks in city centres. ( where I live the boy racers in cars run a section of bendy road north of my village and there are crashes every week - sooner or later when they come round the bend backwards, sideways or just on the wrong side of the road they may take me or my son out as we ride to / from town its a real problem) The sooner these part time summer racers/riders went to a race track and payed for the track day then the motorcyclist in general would not be a viable /cost effective target for the government to focus on.
I am not saying not to ride with passion or quickly but there are places where its to obvious and too dangerous or inconsiderate - Sorry to sound so sensible but I see these arses out at weekends cutting me and everyone else up over the summer days they do bring the result of their actions onto all of us.

But how does monitoring them help the situation? It seems like a more robust police presence on these roads would be a better way of reducing the types of accidents that you're describing.

(Moto reiter if you have not been back to the UK in recent years you may not know of these nutters sometimes riding /racing in large groups travelling at spedds over 120/130mph sometimes a lot faster on short straight bursts on roads where 50/60 mph is the limit.)
However I have to agree ideally policing would be a better solution - but if the monitering brings up a time/day proven pattern then the very limited police traffic resources will be targeted at specific times and places. Also these systems will no doubt be cross matched to an enforcement system so the problem rider can be prosecuted entirely by the monitering system - with no police involved (Very bad in my opinion as there is no discretion or common sense applied by a machine)this is already happening to cars, vans , lorries but bikes so far have remained 'invisable' to the detection equipment.

I think the most worrying aspect of this is the implicit suggestion that biker=dangerous. By being singled out from other motorists they are lumping bikers together as homogenous unit.

I, personally, have no difficulty with speed cameras. This, however, is in a different league. What are the bets that the 'data' collected on these fast routes popular with sports bikers will 'prove' that bikers go too fast and have accidents? Therefore, bikers should clearly pay more vehicle tax...

It's yet another example of the government monitoring our (and by 'our' I mean everyone, not just bikers) every move. Little did I think, when Tony came into office, that I'd spend the next decade and a half watching my personal freedoms curtailed, my country's troops forced to fight an illegal war and the labour government encouraging exactly the same kind of corporate greed that Thatcher's minions believed in.

My only consolation is that I didn't vote for the xxxxxxs!

Matt

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*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!

Matt, it was obvious from the start that 'Tony' was always able to turn in his own skin, I think Stalin looked more honest; and now ye gads - we have an accountant running the show - no wonder the countries on its knees.

A couple of years ago I spoke to a police officer on a police bike. I offered that I ride a '79 Le Mans. His reply, "We're not interested in guys like you". I read that in Sussex, a couple of years ago there were 5 things in common in fatal one bike crashes. Male, about 38-58 years old, Sunday afternoon, summer, race replica bike. I have my own answer to the situation. Sorry to be enigmatic but the answers left are not legal. Linzi, I am not a number.

I have to say, I never saw it. I didn't vote for him, but I did think "Well, he's got to be better than the status quo..." How wrong I was!

Matt

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*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!

Hi Matt I'd say get a copy of Taking Liberties book, by Chris Atkins, £I5 from amazon. Essential reading I think. Linzi.

And then of course the insurance companies will demand access to the data so that they can charge "appropriate" rates or even deny coverage to people who ride too fast (even if they don't get in accidents).

Adventure950, I am not from the UK and have never experienced the groups that you describe. Nonetheless, I am sure that you don't need a highly intrusive monitoring system to "brings up a time/day proven pattern"--maybe try weekends? I mean, it's just not that complicated...