|
View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
|
|
Yes
|
   
|
109 |
50.00% |
|
No
|
  
|
46 |
21.10% |
|
No.. But things MUST change
|
  
|
38 |
17.43% |
|
I don't care
|
  
|
14 |
6.42% |
|
Undecided
|
  
|
11 |
5.05% |
 444Likes
 |
|
5 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 4,343
|
|
|
Corpus Juris
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkabout
True, within the UK, one is innocent until proven guilty, although even this principle has been whittled away in some respects.
Under the Napoleonic code of justice it is necessary to prove your innocence, which is a reason why the continental decrees do not always fit well with UK law.
We live in interesting times.
|
Looking around the internet for more information about the aspect of UK versus continental law, I came upon this article.
2016 – 006 EU replacing English Common Law with repressive Corpus Juris | The Euro Probe
The law in the USA is broadly based on the same principles as the UK, unsurprisingly, being traced back to Magna Carta.
__________________
Dave
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 9
|
|
|
Should Britain leave the E.U. ???
Well 'if' the UK leaves the EU other states may follow.
Unfortunately, the scaremongering, lousy debates and lack of global vision is shockingly bad in the socialist element of politics.
Glad they're not in Government either as we (the electorate) wouldn't have been given the option if Labour were in office.
Sent from my MoJ mobile tagging device
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 4,343
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlorange
Well 'if' the UK leaves the EU other states may follow.
|
I have been pondering on that aspect recently; it's an interesting possibility.
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlorange
Unfortunately, the scaremongering, lousy debates and lack of global vision is shockingly bad in the socialist element of politics.
Glad they're not in Government either as we (the electorate) wouldn't have been given the option if Labour were in office.
|
Yes, many of the politicos show their true colours and it is not pretty.
A number of them struggle to pull together a coherent set of sentences - perhaps they are used to dealing in sound bites and not being challenged with the difficult questions?
I was quite impressed with Kate Hoey just the other day when she spoke up in a TV interview; she does seem to hold firm views that have not wavered even when a certain Mr Blair tried to pressure her all those years ago.
__________________
Dave
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 9
|
|
|
I'm hearing from other forums Kate Hoey is proving rather controversial, which isn't a bad thing.
The EU has changed far beyond its fundamental origin, and other EU countries are monitoring how the UK negotiations & referendum goes. I'd rather the UK be the EU bad boy than remain in the current status quo.
It maybe classed as a blueprint for others, or not..
Sent from my MoJ mobile tagging device
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 32
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlorange
Well 'if' the UK leaves the EU other states may follow.
|
I even risk to say that if UK voters vote in favour of Brexit the whole thing falls apart and it spells the end of the European Union. It is, as a matter of fact, the reason why I would like the Brexit camp to win the referendum.
See how Poland is getting so cosy with Britain's government's positions. It's an indicator of what you said, earlorange. I don't doubt for a second that the other three Visegrad countries will follow suit if they feel the need to spell it openly instead of just reaping the fruits sewn by Poland without the need to do anything.
On another note, see how the new Portuguese PM blackmailed (news about this in a Spanish newspaper citing the director of the Centre for European Reform) the European Commission to accept the State Budget or else Portugal would veto the agreement between the EU and the UK. Does this show a strong, coese, union? Or, as predictable, does it show a disfunctional thing in which each constituent part is defending its objectives and goals?
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 9
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plooking
I even risk to say that if UK voters vote in favour of Brexit the whole thing falls apart and it spells the end of the European Union. It is, as a matter of fact, the reason why I would like the Brexit camp to win the referendum.
See how Poland is getting so cosy with Britain's government's positions. It's an indicator of what you said, earlorange. I don't doubt for a second that the other three Visegrad countries will follow suit if they feel the need to spell it openly instead of just reaping the fruits sewn by Poland without the need to do anything.
On another note, see how the new Portuguese PM blackmailed (news about this in a Spanish newspaper citing the director of the Centre for European Reform) the European Commission to accept the State Budget or else Portugal would veto the agreement between the EU and the UK. Does this show a strong, coese, union? Or, as predictable, does it show a disfunctional thing in which each constituent part is defending its objectives and goals?
|
Poland have 1 million of its citizens in the UK, they know compromise rather than being difficult will only be negative for them strategically.
There's not a chance in hell Cameron will get the approval of the other 27 leaders, it's a wish list & nothing else.
The fact that the EU is unelected & Merkel & Shultz appear to calling the shots shows how bad the EU has grown, the immigration crisis was imploded by St mother Merkel & even her own infrastructure & authorities are struggling & backlash is clear.
EU is only happy when it dictates to other countries, it shows its true colours when they know it needs serious reform & being told publicly.
Sent from my MoJ mobile tagging device
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 11
|
|
|
In a purely selfish way I love travelling across most of Europe without having to stop at borders.
In a mostly unselfish way I don't think we should have the complete freedom of all of the E.u. citizens to come here. We're pretty full.
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 9
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
In a purely selfish way I love travelling across most of Europe without having to stop at borders.
In a mostly unselfish way I don't think we should have the complete freedom of all of the E.u. citizens to come here. We're pretty full.
|
I agree in the selfish element, and Travelling & exploring through Europe is apart from certain current restrictions unlikely to change.
The U.K. Maybe an island but that tunnel is still being exploited by many, the underlying other issue is 'overstayers' who've no intention of returning.
Sent from my MoJ mobile tagging device
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 74
|
|
|
I travel from UK, through France, through Switzerland, to Italy. Which means I have to flash my passport at every border on the way. So what's the difference, on that, and several other routes.
The joke is that at present, in the EU, our own border is the only one interested in seeing a passport.
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 32
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlorange
Poland have 1 million of its citizens in the UK, they know compromise rather than being difficult will only be negative for them strategically.
|
From what I've been reading in the press it goes beyond merely defending their citizens who live in the UK. Poland is activelly supporting several of the items which the British Government is trying to get being only one step short of saying that they want the same for themselves.
Quote:
Originally Posted by earlorange
The fact that the EU is unelected & Merkel & Shultz appear to calling the shots shows how bad the EU has grown, the immigration crisis was imploded by St mother Merkel & even her own infrastructure & authorities are struggling & backlash is clear.
|
The reality of the German Chancellor being calling the shots (and I'm not a germanophobe, a germanophile if anything) is the reason why I question if the EU still exists other than as a rubber stamping organization. Many times I wonder if the EU is still real or if it already died but someone forgot to issue the death certificate.
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 679
|
|
|
Should Britain leave the E.U. ???
"The Germans"
"We're full!"
"Brick up the tunnel!"
I say, this thread has rather devolved into a Daily Mail headline generator.
|
6 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 9
|
|
|
The more educated forum users know full well to avoid anything DM focused.
The thread topic is being debated in many forums & some are much more intelligently contributed than some.
Sent from my MoJ mobile tagging device
|
7 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: East Yorkshireman...in the Chum Phae area, Thailand
Posts: 1,338
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plooking
From what I've been reading in the press it goes beyond merely defending their citizens who live in the UK. Poland is activelly supporting several of the items which the British Government is trying to get being only one step short of saying that they want the same for themselves.
|
That might be true on some things but I had read somewhere that Poland doesn't want the UK to do the 4 years in country and earning money before you get any benefits, maybe because they are one of the biggest takers in the EU? They did however say they would back it if the UK put troops in to Poland to show a strength on its borders as part of NATO
Why anyone should be getting UK child benefit payments for kids not even in the UK is beyond me, it just makes a laughing stock of the system no wonder Cameron wants to get it changed
Wayne
Edit
Just found the article
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/glo...ng-nato-320648
Wayne
Last edited by Lonerider; 7 Feb 2016 at 01:55.
Reason: add info
|
7 Feb 2016
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 4,343
|
|
|
Power without responsibility
Quote:
Originally Posted by ridetheworld
Incidentally, maybe it's worth mentioning that while the EU is often blamed for loss of sovereignty, which is absurd but a different debate entirely, there is very little said of the forthcoming Transatlantic Free Trade and Investment Partnership, which basically gives corporations unprecedented powers over national governments, but of course when most of the U.K. press is controlled by the like of Murdoch, The Barclay brothers, Desmond and The Rothermears, et al, it's not hard to see why. If anyone wants to read more about it without trawling the web, George Monbiot writing for the Guardian, is about the only journalist I know of who has covered it.
Lastly, if the UK leaves the EU it will probably spell the end of the Union itself. That's a rather depressing and bleak future to consider on top of everything else. It's going to be interesting to see how they word the ballot paper, and how it's portrayed by the corporate media. Even though some sadistic part of me wants to vote to leave just to see it blow up in people's faces, I'll be voting to stay - just.
|
There is an interesting view within this short article.
Is the EU finished if the British leave? | EurActiv
Two key statements relate to the phrase "reasoned opinion" and the potential consequences of such reasoning + the aspect of power without responsibility for the ensuing consequences.
The latter argument does touch a nerve or two.
TTIP is indeed of concern if only because those negotiations are being conducted in secret.
The power without responsibility view is very powerful in itself when applied to the multi-national corporations that use up a nations' resources (education, transportation, "human resources" etc) and put nothing back - not even some taxes apparently.
The furore of the last few years about "Bankers" is a case study in itself.
Argubly, the multi-nationals are the epitome of the selfish gene mentioned in earlier posts, but if your outlook is based on globalisation then that is hardly a surprise.
__________________
Dave
|
7 Feb 2016
|
 |
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,673
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ridetheworld
"The Germans"
"We're full!"
"Brick up the tunnel!"
I say, this thread has rather devolved into a Daily Mail headline generator.
|
I must admit I have found some of the replies rather disturbing. Considering this is a traveller forum and generally populated full of open minded, well travelled friendly folk.
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 5 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Next HU Events
ALL Dates subject to change.
2025 Confirmed Events:
- Virginia: April 24-27 2025
- Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
- Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
- CanWest: July 10-13 2025
- Switzerland: Date TBC
- Ecuador: Date TBC
- Romania: Date TBC
- Austria: Sept. 11-15
- California: September 18-21
- France: September 19-21 2025
- Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025
Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!
Questions about an event? Ask here
See all event details
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|
helps answer the question - Why Go? Inspirational stories by veteran travellers Greg Frazier (5 times RTW), Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries), Tiffany Coates (Mongolia Mayhem) and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).
Get Ready! covers planning, paperwork, medical and many other topics! "Inspirational and Awesome!" See the trailer here!
What stuff do I need - riding gear, clothing, camping gear, first aid kit, tires, maps and GPS? What don't I need? How do I pack it all in? Lots of opinions from over 150 travellers!
break down language barriers, overcome culture shock, ship the bike and deal with breakdowns and emergencies."Just makes me want to pack up and go!" See the trailer here!
Grant demystifies the black art of Tire Changing and Repair to help you STAY on the road! "Very informative and practical." See the trailer here!
Ladies on the Loose! For the first time ever, a motorcycle travel DVD made for women, by women! These intrepid women share their tips to help you plan your own motorcycle adventure. They also answer the women-only questions, and entertain you with amazing tales from the road! Presented by Lois Pryce, veteran solo traveller through South America and Africa and author of 'Lois on the Loose', and 'Red Tape and White Knuckles.'
Cotton or synth sweat-wicking t-shirts with the cool Horizons Unlimited graphic on the front and a snappy slogan (changing every year) on the back.
Show your route on your panniers. Great conversation starter when you meet people on the road!
Motorcycle and travel books to inspire and inform you!
The definitive guide to planning your motorcycle adventure! This insanely ambitious 2-year project has produced an informative and entertaining 5-part, 18 hour video series. "The ultimate round the world rider's how-to!" MCN UK.
Linear Mode
