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No.. But things MUST change
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We will be a few million quid a week better off if we leave and if we choose to have an agricultural subsidy policy it'll be what we want not what suits the French. We will be able to chase off Spanish trawlers in our waters. The only court that will be able to tell us not to do this will be in the UK and won't have a Spanish judge (plus the UN if we chose to shell Cadiz, but that's not going to happen).
Specific enough?
Leave is currently ahead in the poll, although maybe under EU vote counting systems (one man, one vote but Donald Tusk is the one man) it isn't? 
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Originally Posted by Tim Cullis
I wouldn't categorise the 'leave' posters as being a minority, and you've also been pretty vocal in your challenges of other people's posts.
I think the first of your 'demands' above has been more than adequately explored and I don't see why anyone should jump through hoops answering your other points until you first explain:
- Why in particular the EU is good and why it doesn't needs to change;
- How the UK will be better off staying the EU;
- How power is exercised in the UK and how this is benefitted by EU membership;
- Factual studies or evidence on why the UK benefits from EU membership;
- Any citation of specific EU legislation which you agree with;
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Dear, oh dear.
Demands? Jumping through hoops?
We're "In". Being, "In" is the status quo. You want to change the status quo? Don't ask people to first justify the status quo. Tell them why they should want to.
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We will be a few million quid a week better off if we leave...
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Well, that depends on who you ask to do the sums. Who did you ask?
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Just make sure you consider all the facts before voting for Brexit:
If every EU migrant in the UK were to leave, the country would rise one meter as their weight was removed from the landmass, thus averting future coastal flooding.
Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
All UK Friesian cows will be white as there is no longer a need for them to have the black markings that were a requirement of the EU agricultural policy.
If the UK leaves the EU Brussels sprouts will just be called sprouts.
The reason that cars are limited to 20mph on many major London roads is due to Germany stealing UK speed allowances so that they can travel at 200mph down their own autobahns.
Just sayin'...
(source: some vague webpage posting random cr@p: Polemic's Pains)
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Well, that depends on who you ask to do the sums. Who did you ask?
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The EU's accountants certainly couldn't give me an unequivocal answer they'd be prepared to sign off!
OK, it might be a different number, but you leave the club you stop paying the subs.
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Nor do I but how will the EU become a, "Federal, facist state"?
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Fascist doesn't have to imply right-wing Falange/Fascismo Italiano/Nazi dictatorships. The term can be applied to any authoritarian, totalitarian, despotic and dictatorial body. And seeing how Brussels rides roughshod over national sovereignty, fascist seems a great label.
As for federal, those in the EU who are pushing for an ever-closer integration make no secret they are intending a federal structure.
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Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
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Don't forget Adrian/Hadrian was Spanish so no doubt they will be claiming free money as well.
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Whatever this nation decides, it will be HUGE gamble with endless consequences.
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This government does like to role the dice....
we survived the Scottish succession referendum intact..... This time though I get to vote.... even though I am south of the border in the UK
and as it is only 1 constituency It's got to be fair? we go with the way the majority of the British voted?
How can they manipulate that?
a) change the rules....
You voted the wrong way (like Ireland did) vote again.
I know most of you voted for outcome x but that is still less than 50 / 67 % of you voting for out come x so we will have outcome y (because it is what the politicians wanted anyway)
b) use the media to distort the reality of the situation.
c) cheat.....
The vast majority of our politicians are mad or snollygosters.
(snol·ly·gos·ter (snŏl′ē-gŏs′tər) ->noun Slang ->One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.
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The vast majority of our politicians are mad or snollygosters.
(snol·ly·gos·ter (snŏl′ē-gŏs′tər) ->noun Slang ->One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.
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Good catch!
A very fine noun to describe the two politicians who turned up on the BBC Question Time programme last night - two politicos to speak for remaining in the EU and 3 non-politicians who spoke for leaving.
The two politicos could scarcely put together a coherent argument in favour of their side of the case in reply to the questions from the audience.
One was besoted with the official position of her governing party (and it became increasingly difficult for her to show that she actually believes that line) while the other is too engrossed in the lack of any real discussion within her own party which is totally disappearing from any discourse other than their own machinations about their current leader.
Quite apart from the other panel members who had something to say on the matter, it was the audience who really took apart the two politicians.
Ultimately, one member of the public summed up both of them as "second rate" but the snollygoster noun would have worked just fine.
The BBC has come up with a good format for these discussions over the next 17 weeks; some politicos will be there, alternating "for and agin", with a balance of non-politicos with the opposing view.
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... you leave the club you stop paying the subs....
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You stop getting the benefit too. You can count the cost but can you assess the value?
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Food for thought, on trading nations
Just 4 of the G20 nations are European.
6% of world trade is conducted by the EU nations; 94% of world trade lies with nations outside the EU.
Britains' share of world trade is now .................................are you ready for this? ..................................... 3.6%.
Carry on thinking.
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1. Read up on who is a "member" of the G20.
2. This may be how Norway views the G20, by the way:-
The G-20 is a self-appointed group. Its composition is determined by the major countries and powers. It may be more representative than the G-7 or the G-8, in which only the richest countries are represented, but it is still arbitrary. We no longer live in the 19th century, a time when the major powers met and redrew the map of the world. No one needs a new Congress of Vienna.
— Jonas Gahr Støre, 2010
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Entirely a political construction
There has been something of a theme within postings of the last few days that the EU has some kind of status - the status quo no less.
Nothing could be further from reality; it has been around for only a few years in truth.
The Status Quo.
That 3 chord band from the year dot!
Breaking news: the nation state is the status quo and it has been throughout most of recorded history. 190 odd as members of the UN and over 200 as members of FIFA, apparently and according to their own voting of yesterday.
In contrast, the EU is a politically inspired construction of your lords and masters of the universe, aided and abetted by the super-power of the current world order which can conveniently ring just a couple of numbers in order to hand down the latest directive rather than handle a diverse range of nations with scarcely a single factor in common.
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Just 4 of the G20 nations are European.
6% of world trade is conducted by the EU nations; 94% of world trade lies with nations outside the EU.
Britains' share of world trade is now .................................are you ready for this? ..................................... 3.6%.
Carry on thinking...
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Interesting if true. Got a source?
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There has been something of a theme within postings of the last few days that the EU has some kind of status - the status quo no less.
Nothing could be further from reality; it has been around for only a few years in truth...
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Status quo. The existing state of affairs.
Nope. I've got it.
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The problem with the EU is that it is an ideological project which keeps slamming into the hard facts of its own political realities.
Kind of like a drunk with his keys in the pub car-park after kicking out time, repeatedly fumbling with the locked door of the wrong car.
Eventually he will manage to get into his own car and crash it on the way home.
How many others will be killed in the process is the only outstanding question...
Square pegs & round holes... the whole thing.
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A long way of saying nothing at all.
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