As a follow up to my last post in here, the author of my last link wrote another later analysis, presented in 2008, about "the good war"; WW2.
The 'Good War' Myth of World War Two
It is this very emotion that the POTUS played upon during these last few days.

Historians are not in agreement about very much at all to do with that period.

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Great a link to an organisation established by a National Front member and widely accused of denying the Holocaust. IHR is also regarded as antisemitic and having links with neo Nazi groups

Not surprised. The "fear, uncertainty and doubt" of leaving the EU is clearly becoming a little less uncertain leading to more fear of Brexit. Inevitable that some will resort to even more extreme views.

Had unofficial confirmation this week that one of my clients, a major US multinational, have already established the plan to move their European HQ to Switzerland if we vote Brexit. Not if we leave; if the referendum votes "leave".

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

A couple of useful, perhaps even insightful, comments on recent news items.
Use of the word “Queue”:-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pm_world_pop_b


And some commentary, analysis and general overview of some of the arguments, with a twist in the tale/tail:-
Why should we take advice from a president who has surrendered the world to chaos?


As for earlier comments herein related to writers on the internet, I read and assess the message without recourse to who the messenger happens to be; in other words, it is best to make up your own mind about the veracity of any particular piece of information.


It is salutary to know that traditional-minded, closed-shop type of people holding a particular ideology (whether they be MSM, historians, environmentalists or whatever) and all the other self-interested groups find their current orthodoxies under challenge – long may it continue.
In the specific two cases of the writings of Mark Weber to which I linked, he cites a wide range of traditional, well-known historians in his writings and he makes a strong case in each of the two articles, irrespective of the background history of the website for which he writes.


However, the overall point is that the current dude in the White House has done nothing different from his predecessors, but he has been far less subtle – possibly because he is winding down and seeing out his period of notice?

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Your don't need to spend more than 10 minutes researching the IHR and Mark Weber to understand their agendas and attempts to change modern history through pseudo scholarly publications like their own Journal of Historical Review and their links with far right white supremacy movements

Mark Weber: The Professional Denier

I think I'll get my facts elsewhere thanks

Quite. Watch out for increasing demonisation of Russia over the coming months/years. The establishment mean to re-arm with new nukes and an enemy is required to justify this eye watering expenditure. Russia is it.

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Quite statement to make by the US about us being back of the line for trade agreements, considering I've just been reading how much we spend with them.

Mostly on defence, which really takes the biscuit really. We are currently about to take delivery of F35 Lightning jets from them at a cost of £5billion for the first 14 aircraft.

What really stings here is our own manufacturer BAE Systems is currently announcing redundancies due to lack of defence spending. Given that previous governments sold our aircraft industries down the river when we were already technically ahead of the rest of the world, we have to resort to partnering foreign company's to build anything today.

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The SAAB Gripen would fit onto our new boats, the fish heads would get their flying pay and we wouldn't have to sign up to as many wars to get spare parts.

Andy

I was quite taken with Triumph's new Thruxton R and was in the mood to splash some cash on a sweet weekend bike such as this. Reading the test of the T120 in Bike magazine the journalist commented on the usual (new bike) poor fuelling caused by meeting EU stage 4 regulations. An easy fix with the right software however, the marketing director was quoted saying the ECU has anti-tamper software mandated by the EU making this impossible.


As most bikers will know, the EU five years ago attempted legislation to criminalise us for making the slightest modification to our own bikes/property, institute a surveillance regime compelling dealers and their mechanics to report us to the authorities and implement draconian penalties such as confiscation of our bikes for transgressions. Needles to say, the UK would gold plate such legislation, as is their way.


Happily, organised protests managed to water down the legislation and limit it to smaller bikes.


Confused, I wrote to the Triumph director quoted and good enough, received the following reply within 24 hours:

Dear Mr xxx


Thank you for making contact and raising the issue of anti-tamper as featured in Bike Magazine. I must also point out that I am marketing manager and not director as quoted!


Triumph ride by wire motorcycles do come with anti-tamper feature, this has been introduced by Triumph ahead of EU legislation coming in. You are correct, it is not mandated at present.


I hope this helps


Kind regards


Haydn

Clearly, Triumph are ahead of the game and know what's coming. Sadly for Triumph (and me) I will not be buying a new Triumph. The only way we can avoid such draconian legislation affecting us here in the UK, improve our bikes and freedoms is to vote leave.

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Perhaps Obama will place the UK at the back of the queue for further military action in Iraq, Syria and Libya at the next NATO meeting.


We certainly need to be out of the queue for forming the EU armed forces.

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Stop worrying about what Obama says and start looking forward to hearing what Marine le Pen has to say when she visits and how she'll be supporting Brexit.

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It is reported that the French decision on the future of Hinckley Point C nuclear power station (due next month and key to current UK energy policy) has been postponed until September, conveniently after June 23.
It is not the first postponement this year alone.

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So:-
I don't think that it is off topic, certainly not fully off topic.
Britain declared war on Germany in 1939 ostensibly to free Poland; Britain lost that declared war aim to the USSR.
Since then, research has shown that it was the then president of the USA who was fermenting the call to war in Europe for his own political aims. Germany was the chosen geo-political target, Italy was not specifically so and Franco's Spain got a bye.
In similar manner the public message of the American civil war was “to free the people from slavery”; in reality, the actual aim was to form an alliance of the individual States of that land under a single federal government via the imposition of a single currency, the latter being the single most significant factor in defining what a nation state is; a classic case of “ever closer union” by military means.
The same “ever closer union” aim is to be applied across Europe by means of economic conflict; in a word, homogeneous debt slavery.
The overall lesson is that populations should not conflate the public statements of their overlords (representative democracy, fascist or communist) with the real geo-political aims of their governments. In short, the publicly declared fine principles become marginal, at best, when it comes to real government decisions and actions and all politicians' promises have a “use before expiry date”.
Also, politicians will take stances within international affairs when they are struggling with their own domestic issues and their electorates (the USA is a current case in point that comes around every 4 years, Argentina is another); it is so much easier to pontificate to a crowd for which you have no actual responsibilities than to deal with those to whom you owe your position.


The USSR also won WW2 militarily, as Stalin reminded Churchill et al on various occasions.
Stalin was sufficiently ruthless that he sacrificed any number of his own people, that was necessary in his eyes, in order to achieve his aims; one estimate is 20 million.
As just one instance,.during the battle of Stalingrad some 10,0000 Soviet troops were shot by their own side to encourage the others to continue fighting.


The USSR also won the post-1945 cold war “peace” in terms of their political aims with their “land grab” of Eastern Europe (for 40+ years only) but it was clear that the soviets had little to offer to the subjugated populations; ironically, those East European nations found their own ways of throwing off the burden of communism, more or less led by the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 – that process was relatively peaceful in that no one declared yet another European “hot” war in order to liberate such nations. In other words, internal unrest was sufficient to bring these various disparate countries to find their own solutions to their conditions – and that process is ongoing and far from finished.
From Hungary or Austria, for instance, in the SE of Europe to, say, Norway in the North (yes, the latter is not in the EU but it is in the Shengen area) none of them needs a homogeneous Europe of “ever closer union” in order to satisfy their own populations.
Nor does the Ukraine, which is currently part of the intended empire building of the central European powers.
The EU/EC are not prepared to allow individual countries to evolve at their own pace; rather, in the Ukraine they interfered to bring down a legitimately elected government.
The people of the Netherlands recently held a referendum on a Ukrainian related issue and decided by 2/3 of the voters that they do not want this EU-sponsored deal with the Ukraine. It remains to be seen if their own government opts to ignore their electorate and support the proposals to bail out the bankrupt Ukraine.
References:
The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers/Paul Kennedy
Stalingrad/Beevor

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I was banned from Pistonheads.com for posting this on their forum. They gave me the following reason:

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Are you bothered? (to mis-quote Ms Tate).

It is reported that a number of the UK MSM have curtailed or banned comments to their articles in their online media; freedom of speech is a precious concept and it is not always around when you want it.

Some other news outlets went with this item yesterday:-
UK Better Off Outside EU, Economists Say
Positive thinking in place of the usual scare mongering.

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