I did, there were two stories about brits being arrested by EU police, the rest were links, news articles or repostings about EU arrest warrants.

I didn't look past page one as I felt like Chris' cat

Should have bought a Volvo



Made in their brand new factory in Chengdu
https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...ction-in-china


As is the new Land Rover, as is the new Jaguar XFL etc. etc.

China auto market is now larger than the US & Japan combined

The Dongfeng KX has a Volvo (same as on the FM & FL or ZF ASTronic) and a Cummins engine and the Cab was by Italian design house. In fact Volvo were involved in its design. Price is stupid low!

I think if we BREXIT a free trade agreement with China (which the EU won't let us make) will see such trucks here in the UK and operating into the EU undercutting european brnad truck operators. Increased productivity!

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Yep.

Okay, it's 24th June. We've just voted, "Leave". What do we do now?

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

Dave - thank you for posting this important contribution. I was saving this one up for a post and you beat me to it. I might add a few extras to reinforce the loss of this important component of what it means to be British.

Freedom, liberty and justice are something I think the left of politics and the media have completely wrong. In a flurry of “isms” they have closed in on free speech, on the right of protest and demonstration, and clamped down on opposition to certain views. But nowhere do I think they have it more wrong than the creeping harmonisation of EU justice and home affairs.

Viviane Reding, the EU’s Commissioner for Justice, says it would be “crazy” for the UK to opt out of these transfers of powers to Brussels. “Do you want criminals and paedophiles running freely around on the streets? Is that really in the United Kingdom’s best interest?” she asked. Is Brussels going to release some criminals if we don’t sign up, after it’s forced Westminster to give them the vote?

Such intimidatory language is typical of Eurocrats. Reding speaks as if the UK has no police force or justice system, when in fact our traditions of habeas corpus should be held up as a beacon of fairness.

Unlike most continental countries, Britain has had a continuous and peaceful constitutional development going back hundreds of years. The last significant armed conflict in mainland Britain was the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745. Disputes have been settled and power has passed from one government to another essentially by voting (with an ever-increasing franchise) since the end of the Civil War. The losers have accepted the verdict of the voters without resorting to protest and rebellion. This history may lead some commentators to overlook the central role of physical force in the maintenance of state power.

Corpus juris, used by our continental neighbours, is not a system of justice we should be welcoming in the UK. It is alien to our beliefs of “innocent before proven guilty” and of limiting the power of the state. Once the power of law enforcement has been handed to another institution, there is no guarantee we can get it back. Certainly the endless rhetoric of “repatriating powers” to Westminster politicians, scared of the increasing hostility to the EU project and the rise of Ukip, has seen no reversal in the flow of powers.

The EU court already exists: the plans under the Lisbon Treaty are to extend its jurisdiction. I question whether many MPs know the details of these measures let alone citizens.

As far as I am aware, there is no official research centre of comparative criminal procedure in any university in Britain, nor has any previous government undertaken any detailed research into the workings of the criminal law system of our EU partners. And yet we have been signed up to a series of treaties that bring ever-closer union.

In England in 1215, King John was prevailed upon by his barons to give his assent to the Magna Carta. This established certain limits on the power of the king to ensure he wielded his authority for the purposes of justice, not vindictiveness.

What we may not appreciate in this country is that at the same time, the opposite was happening in Europe. For example, the Holy Inquisition was being set up in Rome. This system of combining the prosecutor and judge is something which formed the basis of the legal system in Europe. They are no longer the same person, but are instead salaried civil servants working cheek by jowl.

My question to those who support this transfer of powers to the EU is simple: “Do you believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty?” Perhaps they should speak to Andrew Symeou, who was extradited to Greece and languished in jail there based on the signature of a magistrate that no UK judge could overturn despite the evidence against him being obtained under duress. He was in a Greek prison for almost a year and denied bail until the trial was adjourned.

If we do not opt out of these Justice and Home Affairs measures, we risk our system being replaced by a system as in Italy, where criminal investigations make no distinction between imprisonment for prosecution purposes or investigative purposes. Amanda Knox is a high-profile example of this system. She was subject to her personal life being publicised and attacked in a way which would not have been permitted here or in her own country of the US. Indeed, the police said she had committed slander by trying to defend herself. She was told she had HIV so that she would reveal details of her ex-partners – details which were then released to the media.

The debate a few years ago on 90 days’ detention without charge, which was subsequently defeated, pales into insignificance compared to what British citizens could be locked up for, for months on end, if the EU gets its way. It is essential that we do not submit our sovereignty to the EU in this way.

In this referendum a simple choice you can make is this: do you believe in our system of Innocent until proven guilty or do you want to surrender it to the EU system of guilty until proven innocent. That alone may inform your choice. If the former your only choice can be VOTE LEAVE

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It is the beginning, not the end.

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more fun

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It would appear that the brexit campaigners do not have a sense of humour or have taken on board the discussion about long winded irrelevant posting on the hubb............

oh feck...

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But what do we actually do?

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

Here is my guesstimate from early February this year (page 17 of this discourse):-

Since February, the Flexit campaign - the LeaveAlliance - has provided me with a feasible plan for Brexit.

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Dave

You have a unique writing style. So similar to cut & paste. I see lots of words but not too many verbs.

You say, "Sack the government".

What else?

What else do we actually do?

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

They don't have the answers by the looks of things, lots of long winded posts but very little in the way of solutions

FM/FH range use the 11,13 or 16 litre engine, FL & FE use god damn awful Paccar 7 litre with its chocolate fuel system. As does Renault and I believe Daf. Now revised in the FE(3) to 5 and 8 litres.

The only engine Volvo don't share with the other owned brands is the 16. I-shift is also on Renault now, however the software is different and the I-see gps controlled terrain mapping is exclusive to the main brand, as is several other options to keep the premium brand ahead.

In the Far East the same truck as Volvo/Renault is UD Trucks. Same running gear, own cabs.
It makes sense to allow the use of the same mechanicals in other regions, it means they are buying parts from your company and the mark up can be higher.

There was a lot of concern that allowing a cheaper brand to use your running gear was a big mistake by Volvo. Sales were marketing the Renault as a re-cabbed Volvo for
less money, and 'stealing' sales from the premium brand. However the prices are more in line with each other now, and there are less configuration options on the Renault chassis.

There is rumour that Volvo and Renault could part company again. If this does happen, Renault would still have to be sourcing parts from the Volvo group for its current range and spares for previous models.

Although what Volvo's global strategy has to do with the EU escapes me?



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