View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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No
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No.. But things MUST change
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I don't care
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Careful now - you are almost in danger of expressing an opinion there!
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Switzerland withdraws longstanding application to join EU
The upper house of the Swiss parliament on Wednesday voted to invalidate its 1992 application to join the European Union, backing an earlier decision by the lower house. The vote comes just a week before Britain decides whether to leave the EU in a referendum.
Twenty-seven members of the upper house, the Council of States, voted to cancel Switzerland’s longstanding EU application, versus just 13 senators against. Two abstained.
In the aftermath of the vote, Switzerland will give formal notice to the EU to consider its application withdrawn, the country’s foreign minister, Didier Burkhalter, was quoted as saying by Neue Zürcher Zeitung.
Thomas Minder, counsellor for the state of Schaffhausen and an active promoter of the concept of “Swissness,” said he was eager to “close the topic fast and painlessly” as only “a few lunatics” may want to join the EU now, he told the newspaper.
Hannes Germann, also representing Schaffhausen, highlighted the symbolic importance of the vote, comparing it to Iceland’s decision to drop its membership bid in 2015.
“Iceland had the courage and withdrew the application for membership, so no volcano erupted,” he said, jokingly.
https://www.rt.com/news/346884-switz...tion-rejected/
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Canton Schaffhausen has a very convoluted border with Germany including a small enclave of German territory - not unusual for border areas but, for some years, the Canton has not been too impressed with the passage of heavy goods vehicles on their highways, heading to Italy for instance.
Separately, but perhaps connected, Germany has tried to influence matters via restrictions on international flight paths into Zurich airport.
(final approach tends to commence from the north).
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How Remainers Stitched up Gove's Father
Michael Gove was as emotional as you will ever see on Question Time as he responded to the Guardian story about his father. Privately the Goves are genuinely furious, and say the paper “rang up an elderly man who is very hard of hearing and has serious diabetes and twisted his words”. The Guardian story is headlined “Michael Gove’s father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies”. Yet this was the actual answer 79 year-old Ernest Gove gave to the journalist’s question:
“There’s nothing really to go back about anyway because it just was, when Europe went into fishing, the industry more or less collapsed down and I just packed in and got a job with another firm, you know. That was all that was happening.”
He didn’t contradict Gove Jnr, he completely confirmed him to be telling the truth.
As the journalist repeatedly tried to get Gove Snr to contradict Michael, Ernest explicitly said: “I’m not going against my son”. The Guardian claim “Michael Gove’s office neither denied or retracted or contested accuracy of Earnest Gove quotes”. Except they provided the reporter with a statement from Ernest Gove, again rubbishing the story:
“I don’t know what this reporter is going on about. Everybody in the north-east knows it was Europe that did such damage to the fish trade. The common fisheries policy was a disaster, not just for Aberdeen, but all of Scotland. There wasn’t any future for my business. It closed as a direct result of Europe.”
For avoidance of doubt, here is Ernest Gove on camera last week giving the BBC his view:
WATCH: Gove's father speak on the EU and his fishing business [VIDEO] https://t.co/CbmPhdXSr8
Despite Gove Snr clearly agreeing with his son – on camera, in the phone call with the reporter and in a statement provided prior to publication – the Guardian published the incorrect headline anyway. The article was held back until shortly before Gove Jnr’s appearance on Question Time for maximum damage and then co-ordinated with Remain spinners Will Straw and lyin’ Ryan Coetzee who then piled in on Twitter, knowing it to be untrue. Pretty low even by the standards of political campaigning…
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Read for yourself the Turkey Cables in Full
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Turkey fails to meet criteria for visa-free EU travel
Oh dear, looks like the 80million Turks the Tin Foil Hat Brexit brigadeare trying to scare everyone with won't be coming to the UK
(look at that and learn..........relevant short concise and to the point)
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These are the leaked diplomatic cables referenced by the Sunday Times last weekend which show British diplomats discussing plans to allow visa-free access to the UK for over a million Turks. The key sections are highlighted, for example this bombshell paragraph which argues Britain should “assess again the possibility of visa travel”.
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Seriously, how much longer do we have to put up with this drivel?
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The Socialist case for BREXIT
Today, Labour Leave released their own movie outlining their case for BREIXT.
In the new film “Lexit: The Movie”, produced by Labour Leave, and while Jeremy Corbyn today tells Labour supporters in Yorkshire to vote Remain to “protect workers across Europe”. Komrad Korbyns ’s brother Piers demolishes the argument:
One clip is quite compelling:
https://youtu.be/qlxNc8BE-rg
the text: “The idea that the European Union is a happy-clappy haven for workers rights is complete nonsense… We do not need an unelected bureaucracy to tells us, ok, you can have these rights. They’re taking the power to defend these rights away from us. What’s this about? We can defend ourselves. And once you give away the power to defend yourself to someone else, you know they can stop defending you. Look at Greece. Were they defended? No.”
View Lexit the Movie:
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So how much do we spend on the EU as a % ??
And is it really where we should be laying the blame ?
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During this campaign, much has been the hypocrisy expressed some of which I have exposed here...
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Bob Geldof on QT tonight
Whilst not wishing to cross that great European Napoleon's maxim "never interfere with an enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself" the sainted one is on TV tonight open to questions. Bob doesn't like being questioned. In 2012:
...he lashed out at a reporter this week after he was asked about his tax arrangements, bizarrely demanding to know how many irrigation ditches her salary had built.
Geldof, who was in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa for the World Economic Forum, was interviewed by Times journalist Lucy Bannerman. Their encounter appeared to go very well at first, with Geldof talking about the huge changes that have taken place in Africa since Live Aid in 1985.
Then Bannerman asked him about his tax status. After confirming that he is a non-dom and can legally avoid income and capital gains tax on international earnings, Geldof laughed off the Sunday Times Rich List estimate of his worth (£32 million).
When pressed on how much tax he actually paid – the justification for the question being because his big idea, aid, can come from taxes – Geldof exploded.
“I pay all my taxes,” he shouted. “My time? Is that not a tax? I employ 500 people. I have created business for the UK government. I have given my ideas. I have given half my life to this.”
In a bizarre, heated exchange Geldof jabbed his finger repeatedly at Bannerman and demanded to know how many irrigation ditches she had built with her salary.
The tirade ended with Geldof yelling: “How dare you lecture me about morals”, before being led away by his entourage.
Actually Bob, lots of us would like to lecture you on your tax morals if you don’t pay in full what somebody else living in the UK might owe. I stress we don’t know whether you do or not, but you had the option of saying you do and got angry instead, which makes me think you’ve got something to get angry about.
And candidly, in that case Lucy Bannerman was absolutely right to question you as she did. Paying tax in the right place at the right time is a principle inextricably linked to solving the problems of poverty in Africa – and elsewhere. You can build as many ditches as you like. But candidly if you set an example by tax avoiding then you undo all your good works.
It’s your choice though Bob. You’ve no need to get angry. You can just either drop the non-dom claim or pay up instead. It’s not hard.
By the way - the £32m figure has now been updated to £100m. That's a lot of money to earn from a couple of crap '70's singles. Strange how this foreign pop star got extremely wealthy off the back of other peoples misery and now speaks for the "one percent" telling us we should stay in the EU.
YOU'RE A FRAUD GELDOF. AN ELETIST, TAX DODGING, SUPER WEALTHY, IRISH FRAUD
Vote Leave.
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Looks like the BREXIT campaign is full of clowns.
Really not sure why the troll has moved onto Bob Geldof with his rants
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Fastship, I suspect you must have a degree of hatred hiding within.
You don't like Bob Geldof. Fair enough.
You don't like his music. Fair enough.
But why do you continually refer to him as an Irish (not nice word to follow). Yes he is indeed Irish but you don't appear to make reference to the nationality of any other person involved. I suggest you have a basic deep-rooted dislike of anyone who isn't 'white English', at least that's what your drivel suggests.
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Oh and before I forget...what exactly is it you do with your time anyway that allows you to have so much time to talk ![Censored](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/censored.gif) (rhymes with kite) and make a total buffoon of yourself!
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Just as long as you keep reading.
But seriously, we are all expected to stop campaigning for a while -
A UK MP was shot earlier today, in Leeds.
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Out of Respect
I suggest we stop posting for 24 hours out of respect for Jo Cox
...and let's all calm down a little huh?
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