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Does it keep being like that (i.e. innocent till proven guilty) even in tax affairs?
I ask because in several countries in Europe (Portugal or Spain for instance) in several particular things the rule is reversed, this being, the rulling of the tax office prevails unless the tax payer is able to show that the tax office assessment is wrong. This being, the burden of proof lies with the tax payer, not with the administration.
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When it comes to paying taxes, I suspect that the UK follows the European model regarding the burden of proof issue.
At least we have moved along a tad from the "Sheriff of Nottingham" approach to imposition of taxation.
HMRC has quite draconian powers but are often challenged to the effect that they only apply these powers to the general public while reaching "cosy" deals with mult-national corporations.
I think that nowadays there are various routes for appeal but whether those routes get as far as a court of law I wouldn't know.
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A somewhat related matter is that of the cashless society.
Stockholm, for example, is well on the way to this status.
The concept is basically that all transactions would be electronic and, thereby, can be traced and taxed as required.
It would also be very effective in the case of the bail ins described in the previous link.
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That is being attempted in several countries although under disguise. I find it the biggest attack on personal freedom that we are suffering these days. Biggest and by far! It dwarfs all that stuff about communications being saved and emails and phone calls being listened to and all that tech mambo-jambo. As a matter of fact it's a mix of insult with outrage. However nobody really seems to care about it.
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That is being attempted in several countries although under disguise. I find it the biggest attack on personal freedom that we are suffering these days. Biggest and by far! It dwarfs all that stuff about communications being saved and emails and phone calls being listened to and all that tech mambo-jambo. As a matter of fact it's a mix of insult with outrage. However nobody really seems to care about it.
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I absolutely agree. In a cashless society, 'they' have complete and ultimate control over nearly all aspects of your life. When this happens, the government will be able to track every transaction, which should send shivers down the spines of most people. The death of cash will kill a lot of small businesses - in short, supreme centralised power!
You only need to look at what happened in Cyprus to see why a cashless society, where people have to keep money in a bank account, would appeal to the authorities in highly-indebted countries in particular.
I re-call reading about an online ".gov" petition against all this nonsense. I'll try and track it down.
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I absolutely agree. In a cashless society, 'they' have complete and ultimate control over nearly all aspects of your life. When this happens, the government will be able to track every transaction, which should send shivers down the spines of most people. The death of cash will kill a lot of small businesses - in short, supreme centralised power!
You only need to look at what happened in Cyprus to see why a cashless society, where people have to keep money in a bank account, would appeal to the authorities in highly-indebted countries in particular.
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In an earlier post, about two days ago, there was mention of the concept of "bail ins" rather than bail outs of the banks.
The cashless society idea is also very handy for the imposition of negative rates of interest.
This does not get a lot of discussion in the public theatre, but it is already in use in, say, Switzerland, which continues to have a very strong economy.
So far, the national bank of Switzerland has only used negative interest rates in dealing with external banks to deter them from parking money in the Swiss domain; thereby the concept is both trialled and becomes an acceptable policy instrument for future use.
Some would say that the monetary raid on the Cypriot banks - the "haircut" - was intended to hit the Russian oligarchs who had, indeed, parked large amounts of cash in that country.
Again, the trial has been conducted and found to be successful.
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In an earlier post, about two days ago, there was mention of the concept of "bail ins" rather than bail outs of the banks.
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Among others, that's the main purpose of this crazy idea of cashless societies although the official retoric goes by the lines of fighting dirty money flows.
Many, many banks around the world along with many, many countries are virtually bankrupt. Warren Buffet once said that it's only when the tide goes that we see who's been swimming naked. Soon will come the day when the tide goes, this being, when interest rates start going back to more usual levels. Then, many banks and governments won't be able to refinance their current debt so this thing of the cashless comes very handy. It becomes easy to just do a haircut on depositors or even confiscate money directly from people's bank accounts effectivelly bailing-in banks and countries. The owners of the money won't have a say in the subject, at all.
It's one of the issues which concerns me most in the last year or so.
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Among others, that's the main purpose of this crazy idea of cashless societies although the official retoric goes by the lines of fighting dirty money flows.
Many, many banks around the world along with many, many countries are virtually bankrupt. Warren Buffet once said that it's only when the tide goes that we see who's been swimming naked. Soon will come the day when the tide goes, this being, when interest rates start going back to more usual levels. Then, many banks and governments won't be able to refinance their current debt so this thing of the cashless comes very handy. It becomes easy to just do a haircut on depositors or even confiscate money directly from people's bank accounts effectivelly bailing-in banks and countries. The owners of the money won't have a say in the subject, at all.
It's one of the issues which concerns me most in the last year or so.
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Just to pick up on a couple of points.
The money that "you have in a bank account" is no longer yours.
By putting it on deposit into the account you become a creditor of the bank and the bank is a debtor to you.
It may be a matter of "if interest rates return to normal levels" whatever we may define as normal.
Arguably, the world cannot afford the historical interest rates and so they won't occur despite what the USA Fed tried to do recently.
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A somewhat related matter is that of the cashless society.
Stockholm, for example, is well on the way to this status.
The concept is basically that all transactions would be electronic and, thereby, can be traced and taxed as required.
It would also be very effective in the case of the bail ins described in the previous link.
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Hmm. I was in Stockholm about six weeks ago and didn't notice it being any less cash happy than anywhere else. Most of the numerous refugee street beggars seemed to be quite happy with it.
It is an issue though and it was a factor in my reluctant conversion to the card world when they started becoming widespread 20/30 yrs ago. Those with long memories for trivia may remember the 80's American Express slogan that went "American Express says more about you than cash ever could", complete with jet set alpha male waving his little green card as he walks into some futuristic hotel lobby. Shortly afterwards the cynics version was doing the rounds - "Cash says less about you than American Express ever could"
Back then though there might have been some fear but there was little technology. Now I suspect it's only fear of voter backlash fuelled by media outrage over privacy that stops a lot of this stuff being done. The reality however is that these days no matter how much cash you have stuffed in your pockets there are an increasing number of places where it's useless - there wasn't a single hotel we used in the US last summer that took cash for example.
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Can someone give me five reasons why it would be better that we leave? Just the bullet points, not the rhetoric.
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Just the bullet points, not the rhetoric.
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Can someone give me five reasons why it would be better that we leave? Just the bullet points, not the rhetoric.
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I don't think we should leave. But there are a few point's that could be changed.
Immigration.
Benefit's should be paid by the country they have come from. Until they can show five year's worth of taxed employment.
Travel.
There should be across the board a single rate of road tax for all country's. Then ban toll road's.
Corruption.
Country "A" can investigate country "B" if EU money is involved.
Tax.
A standard rate of corporation tax in all EU country.
Traffic accident's
The country the vehicle come's from should pay. Then re claim the money from the insurance company with in there own country.
You want more???
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1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.
2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.
3. Freedom to control our national borders.
4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.
5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.
6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.
7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.
8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.
9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.
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1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.
2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.
3. Freedom to control our national borders.
4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.
5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.
6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.
7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.
8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.
9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.
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Hmm. I was in Stockholm about six weeks ago and didn't notice it being any less cash happy than anywhere else. Most of the numerous refugee street beggars seemed to be quite happy with it.
It is an issue though and it was a factor in my reluctant conversion to the card world when they started becoming widespread 20/30 yrs ago. Those with long memories for trivia may remember the 80's American Express slogan that went "American Express says more about you than cash ever could", complete with jet set alpha male waving his little green card as he walks into some futuristic hotel lobby. Shortly afterwards the cynics version was doing the rounds - "Cash says less about you than American Express ever could"
Back then though there might have been some fear but there was little technology. Now I suspect it's only fear of voter backlash fuelled by media outrage over privacy that stops a lot of this stuff being done. The reality however is that these days no matter how much cash you have stuffed in your pockets there are an increasing number of places where it's useless - there wasn't a single hotel we used in the US last summer that took cash for example.
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Here's a view from someone who lives in Sweden:-
"If you think it's not going to happen anytime soon, then you should try living here in Sweden for a while.
Most bank offices no longer handle cash at all. The very few remaining ones that do, will endlessly humiliate a customer and literally treat him like a petty criminal when he tries to deposit cash to his account, even a miserable sum like, say, 5,000 SEK (around 500 USD).
Shops, restaurants and other business, even state agencies, slowly follow the suit too, placing signs that they don't accept cash and citing "security reasons" and fear of robberies. (Did I mention that even doctors' offices and emergency wards get robbed in this country? Guess who commits such crimes - but that is another story.)
In conclusion - Sweden is a proving ground for many NWO phenomenons and experiments. Transgender children, extreme multiculturalism, destruction of nuclear family, all your nightmares begin here. Cashless society is only one of them."
An abstract from, What A Cashless Society Would Look Like | Zero Hedge
That article gives a few pros and cons about the cashless society concept, and there is a lot of commentary thereafter including the quote above..............
On the main topic, is a cashless system more or less likely inside the EU?
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