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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
Yes 109 50.00%
No 46 21.10%
No.. But things MUST change 38 17.43%
I don't care 14 6.42%
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Note the Dublin Convention.
In practice, it is this:-
The Visegrad States’ Posture on Europe’s Refugee Crisis Poses a Real Threat to Greece
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Yes- I think it's basically that the first place refugees arrive is the one in which they must seek asylum. Very unfair on Greece and Italy.

I think we could have a whole different topic on immigration though!
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Yes- I think it's basically that the first place refugees arrive is the one in which they must seek asylum. Very unfair on Greece and Italy.
As they said on Mock the Week the Greek economy is in such bad shape they'd be better off pretending to be Syrian refugees and trying to get into Germany.
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Given they tried claiming back money they were forced to lend Germany at gun point in 1943, that's going not going to end well.

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Is Cameron's deal enough for any of you guys? I'm a little underwhelmed, I must admit, despite being that rare breed of a pro-European Brit.
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Is Cameron's deal enough for any of you guys? I'm a little underwhelmed, I must admit, despite being that rare breed of a pro-European Brit.
Has Dave dun it for me? No, of course not, but I never expected him to come back waving much more than a piece of P.R. dept paper. I think you'd have to have been pretty close to the in /out balance point to be swayed either way by what he achieved.

I'll listen with due diligence to what the out-ers come up with but it's going have to be a lot better than a harking back to our numerous finest hours and a bravado based assertion that we're big enough to go it alone.

Now that the starting gun has been fired I'll been keeping an ear out for the first of the factions to use the phrases "united we stand, divided we fall" or "chained to a cadaver".

I've already been emailed by the local LibDems (there are a few left) inviting me to attend a "Vote in with the LibDems" meeting, complete with free window stickers. I probably will put one up but only if I can get the "UKIP says stay in" version.
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Has every sign of half measures that they will try and wheedle out of later. The French are already saying there will be no treaty change when there supposedly has to be to get out of ever closer union.

I'm unconvincable though. Our own politicians like the comfort blanket of blaming their failures on the EU, that is what needs to go and also why Cameron would have supported any deal short of the commission appointing his replacement. The concept of political union is wrong to me.

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Watching the news channel France 24 (in English!) the other day, they were interviewing a MEP from UKIP. Not surprisingly, this guy was spouting some seriously anti-European rhetoric and the lady 'interviewing' him (he basically had his own agenda, shocker) was getting increasingly annoyed with his ranting. Like those above, I'm hoping that the 'arguments' put forward are reasoned and intelligent, although I'm sure the opposite will be true.

Also, if Gove wants to leave, is it wrong that that means I definitely want to stay
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Is Cameron's deal enough for any of you guys? I'm a little underwhelmed
Quite so.
Underwhelmed has to be a euphemism in this context.
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"Since 1996 Britain has opposed 72 motions put forward by the council of ministers and has been outvoted every time.That is 72-0. and those motions have now become UK law.
So much for being at the heart of Europe, and there is our oft quoted "voice in Europe".
British MEPs voted against 576 eu proposals between 1996 & 2014. 485 were passed and became law."
- an abstract from elsewhere; we all need to do our own research.


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despite being that rare breed of a pro-European Brit.
You are not alone, nor rare even; "tough love" or more of the same?
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Will people vote for what's good for the country, or will they only be looking after number one? The £300,000 per person claims from the SNP during the Scottish referendum were a classic example of trying to influence people through money.

The trouble with democracy is that everyone gets a say in the referendum and I'd wager the vast majority of the population are terribly ill-informed compared to those who have contributed (both continue and leave) on this thread.

Many people in the UK don't read newspapers, so won't get much information that way, instead they will be fed sound bites on TV news. My own feeling is that those who have looked at the topic in some detail now are tending towards being 'leave' voters but I suspect the referendum will end up in favour of 'continue'.
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