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Old 23 Feb 2016
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What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.


Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York

Food for thought, whether you agree or not.
Your reference lecturer has a project funded by
"UK Bologna experts are a European Commission funded team", from https://pure.york.ac.uk/portal/en/pr...b7a60a%29.html

Apart from that, his publlications are related to the EU aspiration for a CSDP (see his data in the University website for more detail) and a standing defence force.

"What did the EU ever do for us" implies that we are not capable as a nation: we can't possibly stand on our own because the EU does everything for us - see George Orwell, 1984 for more about that line of thought.

The figure of 57% trade with the EU may be out of date; others are quoting less than 50% trade with the EU - but, anyway, trade won't stop when the Germans want to continue exporting their cars to the UK.
It is the case that the other nations in Europe sell more products to the UK than we manage to sell into the continental market - in or out, we need to improve on our exports in the years to come to earn our way in the globalised world.

As one scenario (at worst if Germany refuses to sell its' VWs etc here) UK car customers would have to buy more vehicles from the Honda facility in Swindon, the Toyota factory near Derby or the world-beating Nissan factory near Sunderland.
(All owned by the Japanese).

Nevertheless, I am certainly prepared to read anything and everything over the next 4 months while judging, in the main, by what people do and not so much by what they say.
The discourse has only just started.
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