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Basically after dozens of pages of 'debate', a highly vocal minority who promote leaving have failed to provide; - Why in particular the EU is bad and what it needs to change;
- How the UK will be better off leaving the EU;
- How power is exercised in the UK and how this is affected by EU membership;
- Factual studies or evidence on why the UK benefits of the loss of EU membership;
- Any citation of specific EU legislation which they disagree with;
i.e. nothing but vague sentiments with no clear vision about what the UK should be and will be without Europe.
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This is what the European Commission has lined up for Europe.
The negotiations are secret and the relevant papers will remain so for 30 years.
Note who is suing who right now with respect to similar agreements in force for the Americas.
The US-EU Free Trade Agreement Could Affect 'Every Aspect of Our Lives':-
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/anti...sts-london-127
Note to the UK PM:
Best get this referendum out of the way asap before the TTIP is signed off for the EU.
ps
The article is about 18 months old.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership mentioned therein is now signed into force and Pres Obama is quite proud of that - but, he's leaving at the end of this year.
PM Cameron has also declared that he is leaving, sometime.
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Basically after dozens of pages of 'debate' ..
.. i.e. nothing but vague sentiments with no clear vision about what the UK should be and will be without Europe. |
Well, I have to agree with you. I'm really torn here .. and sat on the proverbial fence. And there was me thinking that I was a dyed-in-the-wool 'out' voter. 
My head is telling me 'stay in' .. but my heart still says 'out'.
If the Referendum were tomorrow, I would probably vote with my heart.
120 days remaining to make up my mind, one way or the other.
This is sooooo important too, especially for the next couple (or more) generations. I hope I /we get it right for their sakes. 
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How do you imagine we'll be better off without the EU and what is it exactly that you feel is having a negative impact on the UK under the current terms of EU membership?
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Having only briefly skimmed through that article I noticed flaws:
52% UK-EU trade, which other sources state it's near 70%. Correct facts not fear, unbalanced.
Only 36 out of the FTSE 100 business leaders signed an open letter, the remaining 2/3rds state they'll be unaffected.
FTA, defence, immigration,investment and welfare will all be self governed. The best of a worse deal will be a reformed EU if we're lucky...
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The way things are progressing, particularly on the refugee issue, one can't help but wondering if when of the UK referendum the EU will still be in existence...
- In Hungary a referendum (URRAY, Mr. Orban!)
- Austria plus the Visegrad countries joined efforts to close the borders to refugees
- Greece threatens to block all decisions concerning the refugee crisis and recalls the Greek Ambassador to Viena.
- Luxembourg's foreign minister, in desbelief for what his eyes see says "The outlook is gloomy ... We have no policy any more. We are heading into anarchy."
And this just in the last couple of days! Oh dear...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ridetheworld
Basically after dozens of pages of 'debate', a highly vocal minority who promote leaving have failed to provide; - Why in particular the EU is bad and what it needs to change;
- How the UK will be better off leaving the EU;
- How power is exercised in the UK and how this is affected by EU membership;
- Factual studies or evidence on why the UK benefits of the loss of EU membership;
- Any citation of specific EU legislation which they disagree with;
i.e. nothing but vague sentiments with no clear vision about what the UK should be and will be without Europe.
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One question that the pro EU brigade do not and will not face up to is.....It's an unelected, unaccountable dictatorship that can not even be honest enough to produce accounts. Show me one set of audited accounts...go on !!!!!
It is not unable but unwilling to produce accounts....just like any other bent company skimming off the top.
I don't want to live in a federal fascist state, which the EU will become.
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Originally Posted by twowheels03
One question that the pro EU brigade do not and will not face up to is.....It's an unelected, unaccountable dictatorship that can not even be honest enough to produce accounts. Show me one set of audited accounts...go on !!!!!
It is not unable but unwilling to produce accounts....just like any other bent company skimming off the top...
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Despite the rhetoric and non-sequiturs, you actually raise a very interesting point. There should be more public accountability of the EU, the Commission and all of it's bodies and functions.
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... I don't want to live in a federal fascist state, which the EU will become.
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Nor do I but how will the EU become a, "Federal, facist state"?
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Nor do I but how will the EU become a, "Federal, facist state"?
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Fascist doesn't have to imply right-wing Falange/Fascismo Italiano/Nazi dictatorships. The term can be applied to any authoritarian, totalitarian, despotic and dictatorial body. And seeing how Brussels rides roughshod over national sovereignty, fascist seems a great label.
As for federal, those in the EU who are pushing for an ever-closer integration make no secret they are intending a federal structure.
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We will be a few million quid a week better off if we leave and if we choose to have an agricultural subsidy policy it'll be what we want not what suits the French. We will be able to chase off Spanish trawlers in our waters. The only court that will be able to tell us not to do this will be in the UK and won't have a Spanish judge (plus the UN if we chose to shell Cadiz, but that's not going to happen).
Specific enough?
Leave is currently ahead in the poll, although maybe under EU vote counting systems (one man, one vote but Donald Tusk is the one man) it isn't? 
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Well, that depends on who you ask to do the sums. Who did you ask?
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Just make sure you consider all the facts before voting for Brexit:
If every EU migrant in the UK were to leave, the country would rise one meter as their weight was removed from the landmass, thus averting future coastal flooding.
Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
All UK Friesian cows will be white as there is no longer a need for them to have the black markings that were a requirement of the EU agricultural policy.
If the UK leaves the EU Brussels sprouts will just be called sprouts.
The reason that cars are limited to 20mph on many major London roads is due to Germany stealing UK speed allowances so that they can travel at 200mph down their own autobahns.
Just sayin'...
(source: some vague webpage posting random cr@p: Polemic's Pains)
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Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
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Don't forget Adrian/Hadrian was Spanish so no doubt they will be claiming free money as well.
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