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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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No.. But things MUST change
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Originally Posted by ridetheworld
Basically after dozens of pages of 'debate', a highly vocal minority who promote leaving have failed to provide; - Why in particular the EU is bad and what it needs to change;
- How the UK will be better off leaving the EU;
- How power is exercised in the UK and how this is affected by EU membership;
- Factual studies or evidence on why the UK benefits of the loss of EU membership;
- Any citation of specific EU legislation which they disagree with;
i.e. nothing but vague sentiments with no clear vision about what the UK should be and will be without Europe.
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One question that the pro EU brigade do not and will not face up to is.....It's an unelected, unaccountable dictatorship that can not even be honest enough to produce accounts. Show me one set of audited accounts...go on !!!!!
It is not unable but unwilling to produce accounts....just like any other bent company skimming off the top.
I don't want to live in a federal fascist state, which the EU will become.
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One question that the pro EU brigade do not and will not face up to is.....It's an unelected, unaccountable dictatorship that can not even be honest enough to produce accounts. Show me one set of audited accounts...go on !!!!!
It is not unable but unwilling to produce accounts....just like any other bent company skimming off the top...
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Despite the rhetoric and non-sequiturs, you actually raise a very interesting point. There should be more public accountability of the EU, the Commission and all of it's bodies and functions.
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... I don't want to live in a federal fascist state, which the EU will become.
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Nor do I but how will the EU become a, "Federal, facist state"?
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Nor do I but how will the EU become a, "Federal, facist state"?
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Fascist doesn't have to imply right-wing Falange/Fascismo Italiano/Nazi dictatorships. The term can be applied to any authoritarian, totalitarian, despotic and dictatorial body. And seeing how Brussels rides roughshod over national sovereignty, fascist seems a great label.
As for federal, those in the EU who are pushing for an ever-closer integration make no secret they are intending a federal structure.
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We will be a few million quid a week better off if we leave and if we choose to have an agricultural subsidy policy it'll be what we want not what suits the French. We will be able to chase off Spanish trawlers in our waters. The only court that will be able to tell us not to do this will be in the UK and won't have a Spanish judge (plus the UN if we chose to shell Cadiz, but that's not going to happen).
Specific enough?
Leave is currently ahead in the poll, although maybe under EU vote counting systems (one man, one vote but Donald Tusk is the one man) it isn't? 
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We will be a few million quid a week better off if we leave...
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Well, that depends on who you ask to do the sums. Who did you ask?
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Just make sure you consider all the facts before voting for Brexit:
If every EU migrant in the UK were to leave, the country would rise one meter as their weight was removed from the landmass, thus averting future coastal flooding.
Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
All UK Friesian cows will be white as there is no longer a need for them to have the black markings that were a requirement of the EU agricultural policy.
If the UK leaves the EU Brussels sprouts will just be called sprouts.
The reason that cars are limited to 20mph on many major London roads is due to Germany stealing UK speed allowances so that they can travel at 200mph down their own autobahns.
Just sayin'...
(source: some vague webpage posting random cr@p: Polemic's Pains)
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Hadrian’s Wall was built with Italian money and so would have to be returned together with compound interest of 1.6 billion rough hewn stones.
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Don't forget Adrian/Hadrian was Spanish so no doubt they will be claiming free money as well.
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Well, that depends on who you ask to do the sums. Who did you ask?
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The EU's accountants certainly couldn't give me an unequivocal answer they'd be prepared to sign off!
OK, it might be a different number, but you leave the club you stop paying the subs.
RBT: If the migrants leave the country will rise 3 feet 3 1/2 inches as meters will be abolished under BS2016!
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... you leave the club you stop paying the subs....
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You stop getting the benefit too. You can count the cost but can you assess the value?
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Food for thought, on trading nations
Just 4 of the G20 nations are European.
6% of world trade is conducted by the EU nations; 94% of world trade lies with nations outside the EU.
Britains' share of world trade is now .................................are you ready for this? ..................................... 3.6%.
Carry on thinking.
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1. Read up on who is a "member" of the G20.
2. This may be how Norway views the G20, by the way:-
The G-20 is a self-appointed group. Its composition is determined by the major countries and powers. It may be more representative than the G-7 or the G-8, in which only the richest countries are represented, but it is still arbitrary. We no longer live in the 19th century, a time when the major powers met and redrew the map of the world. No one needs a new Congress of Vienna.
— Jonas Gahr Støre, 2010
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Entirely a political construction
There has been something of a theme within postings of the last few days that the EU has some kind of status - the status quo no less.
Nothing could be further from reality; it has been around for only a few years in truth.
The Status Quo.
That 3 chord band from the year dot!
Breaking news: the nation state is the status quo and it has been throughout most of recorded history. 190 odd as members of the UN and over 200 as members of FIFA, apparently and according to their own voting of yesterday.
In contrast, the EU is a politically inspired construction of your lords and masters of the universe, aided and abetted by the super-power of the current world order which can conveniently ring just a couple of numbers in order to hand down the latest directive rather than handle a diverse range of nations with scarcely a single factor in common.
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Just 4 of the G20 nations are European.
6% of world trade is conducted by the EU nations; 94% of world trade lies with nations outside the EU.
Britains' share of world trade is now .................................are you ready for this? ..................................... 3.6%.
Carry on thinking...
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Interesting if true. Got a source?
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