Originally Posted by ridetheworld

Could you provide evidence for that? And if so, I would agree - Goldman Sachs apparently cooked the books so Greece qualified for EU membership, a disaster and they cooked the books so Osbourne et al could flog off our Royal Mail and cost us billions. They are elitist institutions that have zero accountability or morality. (Though remember it was the UK gov that opposed the 'Robin Hood' bank levy which the EU tried to bring about).

One has to decide for herself, I've looked at EU policies (and provided examples here) and along with my general ideas about the world I think we're better off remaining in and working with our European partners to improve the EU. It's no good looking at what Goldman Sachs or Murdoch want, they're only out for their own interests.

But some of my reasons are selfish too - I like being an EU citizen, I like the idea I can move, work, travel and if needed, collect welfare in other EU countries. I like the idea my kids could escape the £9'000k p/a tuition fees. I think more choice is better. I think the UK has done very well from free movement within the EU.

For me no one has been able to point out just why we ought to leave the EU or what is fundamentally wrong with it - honestly I'd like to know, maybe I'm just uninformed!

For me the Brexit argument goes like this; "don't worry we'll have all the benefits of EU membership, free movement, access to the common market, etc but we won't have to pay for it", which makes me question why leave the EU and if this is really a realistic proposition. I think the EU are going to be pretty unforgiving If we leave. Why should we have all the benefits without the costs?

What's more I'm not convinced in the slightest that leaving the EU will solve immigration, or save the NHS (seriously as if men like Gove, Lansely et al give a **** about the NHS) or dampen the looming trans-atlantic trade deal, etc. Things will only get worse, climate change, mass migration, resource wars and middle eastern instability, unprecedented inequality and corporate unaccountability, these won't pass over the UK simply because we back out and walk away from Europe. If anything, I feel we'll be in less of a position to influence them. We're no longer an island.