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What was shocking?
I would have thought it obvious, self explanatory in fact.

Under the Representation of the Peoples Act Vote Leave are allowed to campaign, it's their legal right.

As seen in the video stronger in Wayne David MP (Labour) has called the police to make the Vote Leave people close down their two stands but not his own stronger in stand. Also the Police & Crime Commissioner is a strong campaigner for remain too. The Police there have been politicised.

Banana Republic tactics from the panicking REMAINIACS.
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Paranoia more like it!
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I would have thought it obvious, self explanatory in fact.

Under the Representation of the Peoples Act Vote Leave are allowed to campaign, it's their legal right...
You make assumptions.

For a start, were the 'stands' authorised? Was there a need for them to be authorised and for licenses to be obtained? Being there before sets no precedent. Perhaps they weren't noticed. As the guy says, the police don't go there.

If they were official, then you're right. If they were not, quite right they should be taken down.

Yes, there's a right to campaign. That does not mean you can set up camp in two locations in the local town without appropriate permissions.

Non-story. Again.
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... were the 'stands' authorised?
Was there a need for them to be authorised and for licenses to be obtained? Being there before sets no precedent. Perhaps they weren't noticed. As the guy says, the police don't go there.

If they were official, then you're right. If they were not, quite right they should be taken down.

Yes, there's a right to campaign. That does not mean you can set up camp in two locations in the local town without appropriate permissions.
Him above... ^^^^ yip, up there ^^^^

He makes some very valid points
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You make assumptions.

For a start, were the 'stands' authorised? Was there a need for them to be authorised and for licenses to be obtained? Being there before sets no precedent. Perhaps they weren't noticed. As the guy says, the police don't go there.

If they were official, then you're right. If they were not, quite right they should be taken down.

Yes, there's a right to campaign. That does not mean you can set up camp in two locations in the local town without appropriate permissions.

Non-story. Again.
Gosh that is desperate stuff. People should watch the video again and make up their own minds what went on there. It is what it is. And then vote accordingly...

Vote Leave
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Maybe why they're not imported to some of the big markets (EU, USA)
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Maybe why they're not imported to some of the big markets (EU, USA)

Should have bought a Volvo




Made in their brand new factory in Chengdu
https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...ction-in-china


As is the new Land Rover, as is the new Jaguar XFL etc. etc.

China auto market is now larger than the US & Japan combined

The Dongfeng KX has a Volvo (same as on the FM & FL or ZF ASTronic) and a Cummins engine and the Cab was by Italian design house. In fact Volvo were involved in its design. Price is stupid low!

I think if we BREXIT a free trade agreement with China (which the EU won't let us make) will see such trucks here in the UK and operating into the EU undercutting european brnad truck operators. Increased productivity!



(Actually, if you know about deformable safety structures you will understand that the image you chose to display shows it has done its job in absorbing the energy of the impact and not damaged the more fragile object. Modern cars are designed to behave in this way.)
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The Dongfeng KX has a Volvo (same as on the FM & FL or ZF ASTronic) and a Cummins engine and the Cab was by Italian design house. In fact Volvo were involved in its design. Price is stupid low!


FM/FH range use the 11,13 or 16 litre engine, FL & FE use god damn awful Paccar 7 litre with its chocolate fuel system. As does Renault and I believe Daf. Now revised in the FE(3) to 5 and 8 litres.

The only engine Volvo don't share with the other owned brands is the 16. I-shift is also on Renault now, however the software is different and the I-see gps controlled terrain mapping is exclusive to the main brand, as is several other options to keep the premium brand ahead.

In the Far East the same truck as Volvo/Renault is UD Trucks. Same running gear, own cabs.
It makes sense to allow the use of the same mechanicals in other regions, it means they are buying parts from your company and the mark up can be higher.

There was a lot of concern that allowing a cheaper brand to use your running gear was a big mistake by Volvo. Sales were marketing the Renault as a re-cabbed Volvo for
less money, and 'stealing' sales from the premium brand. However the prices are more in line with each other now, and there are less configuration options on the Renault chassis.

There is rumour that Volvo and Renault could part company again. If this does happen, Renault would still have to be sourcing parts from the Volvo group for its current range and spares for previous models.

Although what Volvo's global strategy has to do with the EU escapes me?



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Gosh that is desperate stuff. People should watch the video again and make up their own minds what went on there...
That's what I did.
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We voted LEAVE today. We were provided with a nice International Postage Paid envelope, and our votes are on their way to the UK.

I was talking to some ex-pats over coffee and I commented that the difference between 'remain' and 'leave' was that 'leave' would make the effort to vote, and 'remain' often wouldn't.

It turns out they were 'remain' supporters and hadn't bothered to apply for a postal vote.

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Apathy could lose it for Remain, that's for sure.
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Back to fundamentals

It has been a while since UK law has been mentioned herein.
The recent discussion about permits for being on the streets of the UK led me to lift from elsewhere the summary given below – it is fully in accord with the fundamentals of why I wish to be rid of the EU (but I still love Europe and it's peoples).


“Corpus Juris” is the name for the EU’s system of justice, providing one European Legal Area, a European Public Prosecutor and a European Criminal Code and in my view it’s one of the principle reasons to vote for Brexit.
Apart from doing away with jury trials it abolishes habeus corpus, i.e. the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”. Criminal investigations make no distinction between imprisonment for prosecution purposes or investigative purposes.
It transcends British law when a British person is under investigation by the European Public Prosecutor (EPP) who can request his remand in custody. . .for a period of up to 6 months, renewable for 3 months where there are reasonable grounds to suspect the accused has committed one of the offences defined, or good reasons for believing it necessary to stop him committing such an offence. . .” (Page 90, Article 20 of the EU’s own book, Corpus Juris).
The EPP can incarcerate someone for months without charge and it appears there’s no limit to the number of 3-month extensions. For instance, the case of Andrew Symeou from Enfield, who was extradited to Greece and languished in jail there, based on the signature of a magistrate that no UK judge could overturn despite the evidence against him being obtained under duress. He was in a Greek prison for almost a year and denied bail until the trial was adjourned.
It turns out he was wrongly arrested and framed for a crime he didn’t commit whilst on holiday in Greece.
According to :- Brits at their Best EU-Style Justice Corpus Juris Copyright 2008 David Rowlands, Catherine Glass and David Abbott – Corpus Juris makes very clear the implications for our legal system and individual rights:- “What we propose is a set of penal rules. . .designed to ensure. . .a more efficient means of repression” (CJ, Page 40) (sic). Just google “how many Brits have been wrongly arrested by EU police”.
Then we have the EU Arrest Warrant, where a national judicial authority, such as a court or police force can issue an EAW to get a suspect extradited. There are examples of our own police forces “misusing” this mechanism for justice, as in the Ashya King case. When the Kings sought treatment abroad for their five-year old son’s brain tumour, they were subject to an EAW, then jailed in a Spanish cell, leaving Ashya alone in a Malaga hospital. All because they didn’t fill in the right forms at Southampton hospital.
Although our own judicial system is also often open to question, Corpus Juris seems like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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