I`m looking for a good comparison of the vaccination. How often are they got used, how often problems happens. Can someone help me out?

Currently my favorite would be the spike protein way like Sputnik / Sinopharm (chinese) / Astrazeneca delivers. Too because the chinese did use it a lot - and - before their or other vaccinatons was certified. And the people in china did was able to go back to normal life very very early.

But if we read the news, there are many "we dont knows" about that way in the last two weeks, about all three vaccinations based on that technology.

Interresting read:

https://www.mdr.de/wissen/corona-imp...nik-v-100.html

Another article about:
https://www.dw.com/de/coronavirus-wi...ina/a-56361390

Would be nice to get data about - how often a vaccination was used, which was used more often, has the better data out of that.

Seems, like this spike protein way will not be used a lot in europe anymore - Astrazeneca's - just for people over 60 years. Does people over 60 has less impact on tromboses?

Back to mrna based vaccinatons like biontech:

https://www.infranken.de/ueberregion...ng-art-5199513

Seems that it is dangerous for people till 30 years - but a no risk for a higher age.

Does somebody has a good article about the different style of vaccinations and how many people did got them? I`m too interested in ivestigations about which kind of vaccination has the best protection for england/south africa/india versions of covid.

My Mam probably can choose the kind of vaccination in some weeks.

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Because you postet german links, here is a link in german language to security protocolls for approved vaccines in germany

https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/dossi...html?cms_pos=5

Comparison of vaccines in english

https://www.biospace.com/article/com...accines/<br />

Data to this you find here:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

No older people have equal risks as younger ones for thromboses.
But effectness of astra vaccine works better on older people than on younger which is the main reason for the prio group change in germany.

Remind: thromboses at astra are only sinus venous thrombosis.
Riskfactor is 2-15 cases per million.
Females are much higher affected than male because female sex hormons increase blood clotting much more than male sex hormons do.
There is allready therapy existing called HIT. it`s based on immunoglobulin or often called antibody therapy.

As longer your mum can securly wait as more evdience will be available for her decission.
Afaik all vaccine approved in germany will work for virus variants from england and south afrika.
Virus variant of india differs to the others through an addional protein spike (simply explained: a double spike protein on the cover of the virus which can connect easier to human body cells) Due to still too less evidental data from india, scientists are just working on this question.

For data of different style of vaccinations and how many people did got them, check 3rd link.

hth

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When i had my AZ jab & i was the youngest person there (54) but i`m in the high risk group (heart disease) so vaccination was highly advised, i could have waited a few months for the Pfizer jab if i wanted (my choice) but decided to go with AZ.

Its less of a risk of thrombosis for me as i take anticoagulant medication anyhow (clopidogrel) but my mate Paul on the other hand has had previous strokes & he has to wait for the Pfizer jab to be safe, but his missus is having the AZ jab next week to protect Paul from infection.

I`m so glad to be residing in a country where the leaders listen to the health advice from the professionals & where the population listens & adheres to the governments advice & closing the borders to international tourists was the key factor, and the doors are staying shut until mid 2022.

Mezo.

Djeeez, what a fuss...
I've carried this Health Passport' on all my travels for more years that I can recall. I really cannot fathom what the problem is- if having it opens borders for me otherwise closed to those who don't carry theirs (or maybe a more modern equivalent such as an app?)- I'm good to go.

And as far as having vaccinations are concerned- it's just a little prik- and many should, by now, be used to having one

I don’t know where this “vaccination certificates have always been required” comes from. Proof of yellow fever vaccination, only, is required for about 18 sub Sarahan African countries, and for some countries if coming from a yellow fever area.

Also there is no real comparison between yellow fever, which has a risk of death or disability of about 1 in 8, of anyone that contracts it, young or old, current illness or not.
CDC infection fatality rate for Covid is .2%, by comparison, the average age of the deceased is over 80 with at least 2 other life threatening conditions.

Also no comparison with the vaccines, the yellow fever vaccine may give lifelong immunity and is tried and tested, whereas we are being told the Covid vaccines are good for a few months only, and (and there is no disputing this) none of the clinical trials finish until 2023 at earliest. They are being administered under emergency legislation and with the Pharma companies legally exempted from compensation claims.

And nowhere (apart from now Israel) requires a proof of health for anything other than travel; to create a health apartheid system is clearly wrong and anyone who thinks it will stop there, or ever go away, needs to read some history books.

I would definitely have a yellow fever vaccine, required or not, if travelling to a risk area. I am currently vaccinated for rabies, tbe, hep a and b, tetanus, typhoid and probably some I’ve forgotten, as a result of travel to countries where those diseases are a risk. So I’m not “anti vax” (stupid and lazy label) but no one should be forced to have a health intervention they don’t want or need.

I have travelled extensively and have never had to show proof of vaccination, since DRC isn’t high on my list of places to go, so saying this is the same as needing proof of health to go to France or the pub is nonsense.

Oh, and I see the MHRA is about to recommend against the AZ vaccine for the under 30’s due to risk if ADR’s, and so I genuinely hope everyone who has had it is OK, and the government doesn’t end up paying millions as compensation in the same way they are currently doing with the Pandemrix claims.


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There are a number of reasons why I suspect that it will be likely that COVID-19 vaccination certificates will become the norm in many parts of the world.

The transmissability of the disease person-to-person is far higher for COVID-19 than it is for Yellow Fever and whilst the fatality rate is lower it is possibly for the disease to rip through a community very quickly infecting many people. So whilst the fatality rate is a little lower than Yellow Fever depending on your age group and where you are being treated far more people infected and so more people die.

It is an easy, cheap fix to ensure that people coming in are less likely to be bringing in the virus - why wouldn't you take an easy option?

The duration of the immunity that is offered is unknown at thsi is point but the duration of similar vaccines is around 18 months - the expectation is that the COVID-19 vaccine will follow a similar timeline for efficacy. This may mean that we will all have to have a routine vaccination to boost the levels and to introduce immunity for new strains as they emerge.

As for forcing people, well when you visit a country you have to play by their rules and it may be that they say "no vaccination, no entry". No one is forcing you to go to that country, it is your choice. Whether that country is France or the DRC is irrelevant, it is their rules. It may be that the government stipulate that requirement for pubs / restaurants for a period of time - given a choice between limited opening for those that have had the vaccine or closed completely I will go for the partial opening.

As regards the stopping of giving the AZ vaccine to under 30s well our middle child (21 years old) has had her first dose as she is classified as extremely vulnerable (she has a dodgy immune system but this vaccine is OK for her - not all are) and she will be bhaving the second dose as planned. The highest risk for her is if she gets COVID - as the risk of the clot is lower then she will minimise the overall risk by getting the vaccine.

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I had my first Pfizer shot 3 weeks ago, zero side effects, no discomfort, arm wasn't even sore. Getting my second shot today, glad to have it done.

I've been fortunate. My wife was ill with Covid last March for over 6 weeks and I didn't contract it (unless I was totally asymtomatic) and I even tested afterwards for no antibodies.

Looking forward to a motorhome road trip, with motorcycle in tow, from Utah to Virginia soon to visit my 84 year old mom. :-)

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Our youngest was meant to be getting his first jab the other day but it was cancelled due to a lack of vaccines and has been rescheduled for next Friday. He is getting it relatively early as his sister is classed as clinically vulnerable.

There seems to be a significant number of younger people that are planning on not having the vaccine as if “only kills older people”. A particularly callous viewpoint as well as inaccurate. The view others have taken is that they don’t want to risk getting a blood clot when they, if they are female, ignore the higher risk of getting a blood clots from they go onto the pill. it is all about risk perception.

On the other hand I know of people in their sixties and seventies that have decided against having it because they are in good health and they consider themselves too fit to be affected. Again, inaccurate.

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I had my first AZ jab on Friday (age 54) felt a little crap the next day but soon recovered.

To me getting vaccinated is a no brainer, anti vaxxers, anti maskers, 5G towers, QAnon what`s next? idiots.

Mezo.

It seems to me that there is a great deal of muddled thinking going on around this issue.

If a person takes the vaccine then they are protected from infection and the health issues that the virus causes.

Therefore unvaccinated people pose no health threat to the vaccinated and it should be irrelevant to the vaccinated what the unvaccinated choose to do.

Consequently, an infected and contagious unvaccinated person can only be a potential health threat to another unvaccinated person or people.

If the above statements are to accepted as correct then there is no need for anyone to know who is vaccinated or who is not and as such "Vaccine Passports" are unnecessary.

I agree with Madbiker.

However, I'm getting my vaccination tomorrow.

Quite honestly, I don't want it. And I'm having it begrudgingly.

Because If I don't then I'm going to be discriminated against. Forced into paying hundreds of pounds for tests to travel or not be allowed to travel at all. Banned from sporting events or cruise ships etc. Obscene.

And in the U.K, they're putting the 'Covid Passport' into the NHS App. So really we're being digitally Identified and restricted. Another level of tracking and control.

It really is a forced vaccination program and a massive step in the wrong direction.

I'm not an antivaxer. I've had countless jabs. But they have been through choice. And a measured risk that I took myself. Being forced into a medical procedure to have the same human rights as others is illegal and I do believe, un-necessary.

Our lives will now be ruled and exploited by these new passports for god knows how long. Forever probably.

All for a virus that is dangerous to only 0.05% of the population. Knowing someone who's died of Covid is dinner party chat these days.

I know more people who have died from falling off ladders than of Covid.

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The vaccine was NOT designed to stop you getting infected or being infectious. What it was designed to do was to significantly reduce the likelihood of you becoming very ill / dying from COVID. As it happens the vaccines have also reduced the likelihood of you getting COVID and reduced the potential for you to pass the virus on - by they have not eliminated the risk entirely. So even when you have had the vaccine you should still wear a mask as that reduces the risk of spread if you are contagious and it has a beneficial effect of protecting you to some extent as well. Wearing the mask properly remains important.

As regards vaccines some people cannot have vaccinations due to theirmedical conditions - my daughter has to be careful about the types of vaccine she has - for instance she can’t have a “live” vaccine - fortunately all of the COVID vaccines are ok for her - however if she were to get COVID then her prospects would not be great as she has a compromised immune system so would have difficulty fighting the virus. So to all those people out there that have had their vaccinations, a thank you from those that cannot have the vaccine - you are helping to protect them as well.

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True enough.

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Even if I accepted this as true--it's not--there are real problems with this approach. In the U.K., for example, only 23% of the population is fully vaccinated (per New York Times, link below). In the USA, 32%. Germany, 8%, Spain 10%. That means that from 68% to 92% of populations of those countries is NOT fully vaccinated, which in turn means that from 68% to 92% of potential travelers are not fully vaccinated.

In other words, unvaccinated travelers pose a risk to the vast majority of residents wherever they go, anywhere in the world, with the notable exceptions of Seychelles and Israel. Even there, rates of vaccination are only 61% and 56% respectively.

This alone would justify ALL countries taking measures to protect their residents from travelers. Those measures might reasonably include travel bans, vaccine passports, COVID testing, and more.

This does not follow at all, for the reasons I've given (and for the many I haven't bothered with, some of which are addressed by Jay_Benson above).

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-tracker.html This may be protected by a paywall, but similar sources are easily found.

But people who choose not to get vaccinated are breeding grounds for mutations (which is happening right now) and the vaccines that are being administered right now may be of no use in fighting future variants.

And guess what happens then? yep were back to square one & all this work, money & lives lost will be for nothing.

Mezo.

Had my AstraZeneca vaccine three days ago.

Bit of a sore arm and some flu type symptoms each evening since. Had chills on the night of the jab.

Feeling good now. Might head to India ....


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