Interesting stuff ... massive unplanned or forced migrations will have an affect on travelers too. Anyone up on the current numbers flooding out of Syria? In the millions by now I'd expect.

But to steer things more back on topic: Climate and RIDING ... I just received the online free Motorcycle Explorer Magazine, issue 9. Excellent publication, IMO.

Seems you've had some "unseasonal" rain lately in the UK and the editor has commented on it. Sort of relates to the topic here. Find editor Owen's opening article here (page two) :

https://www.joomag.com/magazine/moto...D%3D&ref=email

He said he hasn't seen rain like this "since he was a kid". Just a random rain storm? ... or more to it?

Climate Change Cult Alarmists

What we have seen in this great thread is

a, Skepticism of the subject matter
b. Skepticism of the politics involved in the subject matter
c. Non acceptance of the settled science theme (a theme that is utterly illogical in itself because, by definition, such a concept is not scientific)
d, Non acceptance of the theme of climate change – well no, actually, why shouldn't the climate change? After all, everything else in the universe changes, or was Charles Darwin in error?
e. Non acceptance of the current global warming theme; not proven beyond reasonable doubt for many reasons
f, Non acceptance of the specific that mankind is the cause of climate change
g. Plenty of use of fallacious lines of argument, which has been interesting in itself as a subset of psychology.
h, Skepticism of the positions taken up, against all comers, in any situation; what I referred to earlier as the “closed minds” syndrome.

In my case, I came to this subject as an agnostic on the totally of the matter. I did some reading at that time and then moved on to other wolves that are chewing at the runners fitted to the sledge of mankind.
Now I have continued to read articles about suchlike – not in a quasi-religious manner with my mind decided, one way or the other and as a blind act of faith, but to see what clear arguments are put forth. It follows that mere anecdotes are simply discounted (as an engineer by profession I have a healthy regard for the scientific process and the purposes to which it has been put since the age of the enlightenment).
However, my latest reading leads me to say that my agnosticism ends with the advocacy of CAGW; that is where the stink of politics really does stick in the craw.

In the instance of the global warming/cooling alarm there is plenty of publicity for that view expounded ad infinitum via many forms of media – sure,”that” makes me immediately suspicious, it flowing from the settled science school of (non) thinking.
By “that” I refer to the band-wagon politicians, scientists, place-people in society, commentators and presenters in a wide range of media, especially the MSM, who dive into their discourse with a preconceived theme, scarcely prepared to entertain the idea that they could just be wrong; frankly, during my working life, I have put up with far too many people of that brain washed ilk.
It is worth remembering than the ultra-brain washed UK meteorological office has recently lost it's contract with the BBC for weather forecasting because it has been repeatedly so wrong.
To summarise this: Ball
But, of course, it goes much further to the issues flagged up earlier: the persecution of those who dissent from the quasi-religious cult and its mantras.

For the other camp, there are various written papers, blogs, websites and the like which are just part of that picture in that they vary in quality (and quantity) so it is necessary to continue the personal research.
However, it might be that such outlets are growing in both number and quality and, over the life of the quasi-religion, increasing easier access to the WWW can only mean that the good science will eventually be revealed to debunk the junk settled science whatever it's nature.

The agnosticism reminds of the old joke:

Guy is approached in the street in Northern Ireland, and challenged to declare his allegiance:
“Are you a catholic or a protestant?”
“Neither” says the street walker, “I'm an agnostic”.

“Well, are yee a catholic agnostic or a proddie agnostic?”
(In some circumstances, it isn't possible to sit on the fence).

And here is a paper which makes some very interesting arguments on nearly all of the themes which have appeared in here up to now, with the exception of the odd anecdote or two and one or two other aspects not mentioned much to date.
Nor does it deal in any depth at all with the subject of how our sun affects our planet, but we can come back to that.
Fallacies about Global Warming | Originals

Viz:
1. Temperature records
2. Temperature trends and extrapolation
3. Acceptance of climate modelling results by judgement of the outputs of the models
4. Consensus among scientists is required, or even important
5. Dominance of scientific papers (at a point in time) is conclusive of the truth
6. Peer reviewed papers are accurate and true
7. The IPCC is a reliable authority and it's reports are both correct and widely endorsed by all scientists
8. It has been proven that human emissions of carbon dioxide have caused global warming

And, yes, they do have a blog!
The SPPI Blog

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When you do not allow people to assimilate then they retract, as they do so distrust evolves. By essentially tossing migrants into prison camps and not allowing opportunity you are showing that you are exactly like radical Islam tells them, now what do you think happens from there?

America worked only as a melting pot because there was opportunity, had that opportunity to advance and live not been there, she would have self destructed immediately. With the rise of extremist groups UN America she still might.

Your horrible migrant crisis is what America faces every year, in fact yours is watered down like crazy in comparison.
Now with migrant clampdowns happening as low IQ radical right wingers come unhinged we face economic problems as a result. As they arrest or deport our crops rot, as they rot Tax dollars are lost, as they leave local stores suffer as they lose customers.
Those that stay stick with their own as they do not feel safe, that is where gangs come from, in fact that is how radical groups are born. If I again look at the dark past of Germany we know how bad mustache man came to power under the same basic ideals. I would hope a history lesson on this regard is not needed.

One you have two choices, you can walk to that camp and show some humanity, or you can poke the dog with a stick and see how long it is until that dog bites back.

Btw the US rebuilt Europe and forgave your debt so you could prosper, it worked wonderfully, had we not the problems never would have ended.

I think the entire Eu has taken in around two million refugees. While Lebanon, a country of just over 4 million has taken in over a million!

My wife struggles with why it is even a problem. She says we have so much unused uninhabited land how is it we cannot help more?
I guess when you grow up barely able to eat, you get it. When we grow up with full bellys we worry about someone else taking our snack.


Something you will be effected by more than climate change is ground shifts as empty voids from gas and oil being pumped out start to settle.
This is why the climate hysteria has screwed us, it has pulled our attention away from other, more important and immediate pressing issues at can and should be dealt with now.

It would have to be recognised that those circumstances were a "one off" situation at a particular time in the development of your new nation.
The 21st century is so very different.

It is not simple, quite the opposite, being related to the absolute essentials of how homo sapiens deal with each other.
It continues to be interesting to see how those of the USA view Europe – arguably, the most complex place on the planet, certainly on a continental scale and giving due cognisance to the sub-continent of the middle east.
Within the link below is a view of a particular northern European nation written by an Indian national; it is just one view, no one has to accept it, but the existence of that particular website is some indication of the history that lines up in peoples' minds.
You are being redirected...


Just recently on UK TV there has been a programme that explained the reverence that is held in the Islamic world for Baybars, almost as if he lived just a few years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baibars
Significantly, the man was a big influence in the cities of Syria that we hear of every day in current news.


On another hand, there is St George who is still commemorated in a wide range of countries, viz:
“St George is still venerated in a large number of places, by followers of particular occupations and sufferers from certain diseases. George is the patron saint of Aragon, Catalonia, Georgia, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Germany and Greece; and of Moscow, Istanbul, Genoa and Venice (second to St Mark). He is patron of soldiers, cavalry and chivalry”
Abstract from St. George - England's Patron Saint
He is also the patron saint of England and his death on 23rd April is remembered each year.

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That was very kind....considering we (Europe) gave birth to the US

Anyway I thought this was about Climate Change and not about 100's of thousands of young men of fighting age wanting to come in to Europe and cause problems, maybe the Mod's should move all the other stuff to a new thread

Wayne

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The Balkans
https://new.horizonsunlimited.com/poi_entity/8417

why does everyone continue to call the US new? The French evolution followed ours. Further EU IS full of all kinds of new countries in the previous century. Its not like there were no people in the US pre Christian invasion.


Since you like Fantasy,I shall put forth one of the best Fantasy books ever written which is historically actually fairly accurate, I strongly suggest you read it, you will learn much about the history of Civilization.
Robot Check
Curious, did you know that Persia, now IRan took several hundred thousand polish refugees during ww2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJvDQVX_Dc
Your link sucks btw.

what a coincidence since the west celebrates all kinds of figures which were brutal, you know Napoleon, Columbus, Alexander the Great etc
Non argument as usual on your part.

Edit: I usually toss people in the nonsense bin who say the Middleast is the war ravished problem of the world.
While I have no real problem with britain, it has invaded 90 percent of the world
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...per-cent-world

The US has been at war for 213 years of its short existence, you know liberating people for business purposes, much like Britain and some other western countries I should not need to mention.

Perhaps its time to look in the mirror.

I've only just finished reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Litt...y_of_the_World

The external view of the USA as being a new nation is because that is what it is.

The website may "suck" but the fact is that it exists.

Baybars is something of a hero to some people to this day.

Britain built an Empire, following in the footsteps of the Spanish and to some extent the French; the Dutch were doing the same.
All these nations were creatures of their times; each took on the role as their fortunes ebbed and flowed.
Now you guys have to live with the same responsibility.

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Strictly speaking, you guys were late to WW2 so it's only fair you helped on the rebuild

Oh yes our patron saint from.................er Syria

I support the notion to move the immigration/refugee issue to a separate thread.

Back to the topic of RTW travel post/while climate change.
Do you think this guy would stand out of the crowd?
Do you think this guy would find locals to help and protect him?

... Shrek is calling Walkabout a troll. You like Shreks post. For everybody who has followed Walkabouts posts this is a clear affront. He might enjoy a heated discussion but he never resorts to name calling and he always stays reasonable. Unlike me ....

A troll, huh?

For low IQ refugee hating blood drinking German Nazi bastards dreaming of the Forth Reich like me that sounds like you agree.

If you don´t, it would be time to speak up, man!

Just wondering ....

Initially that was all I was going to respond to your deliberate attempt to provoke a response (commonly defined as Trolling). I don't think I really need to explain myself to you or anyone else, but I thought I'd provide a reason, so there you go.

Will climate change spell the end of RTW?

No, between the hot water I am always in with the monitors of the Hubb
and this fix, the next ice age doesn't bother me at all.

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A combined heat and light plant is a step along from a combined heat and power plant.

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