Scientists need money my dear, the money is in being an Alarmist, actually it usually is.


Not sure why you have to belittle other members, cant you just sit down and open your mind?

In the 1930's the Germans realised their standard of living could not be sustained given that their agricultural output was maxed out and they were running out of people to sell basic manufactured goods to. A nasty little man and a few dodgy scientists offered a solution that involved the biggest war ever. The rebuild made the cake bigger but sliced it a bit more evenly, hence our grand parents could travel more freely.

Today we have massive populations who aren't going to live at a tenth of US standards, yet the planet is no bigger. Efficiency solutions may come, but you can expect a few fast and easy solutions involving simply grabbing a bomb and moving to where they have air conditioning in the mean time.

How we live and travel now is as unsustainable as century old dreams of treking across Africa with teams of natives to carry your gramophone, dinner service and wine cellar. If we are lucky there will be space for us all on the bus tours, if not we may be going fully funded but all dressed in khaki.

Wishful thinking by air conditioning owners will not change the simple sum of world GDP divided by world population.
Andy

it's amazing how naive people are believing in every "scientific" study published
not even questioning who funded it

p.s.
It's very easy to manipulate uneducated people and the lowering of public education standards in recent years is not a coincidence. That should be alarming, not climate change.

I hardly touched on this aspect in my last post but it is far more troubling than the man made myths put about by governments, spin doctors, PR gurus, advertising agencies, NGOs with vested interests and the main stream media including the TV channels.

It also needs to be recognised that the likes of the BBC news, including the world news output, is also complicit in the dumbing down of the information provided to populations.

Knowledge, real knowledge, is power; so don't let the plebiscite get too close to it!

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Dave

I don't worry about it for I have realised it is all self regulating.
Take fishing for instance, bigger and bigger boats taking bigger and bigger catches. They play around with quotas, but in the end it does not matter at all. One day a fishing boat will take the last big shoal of its target fish and there will be no more. The fishermen will go broke, the boat scrapped and in a hundred years or so the fish will start to return.

Same with climate. All hoo ha about emissions, never a word about all the trees we have lost. Each one a little solar powered factory removing carbon and other pollutants,(about two tons a year each), freeing pure oxygen for us to breathe and storing and controlling the water that now floods freely. Eventually the world will become uninhabitable thus removing the root cause of the problem. It will recover.

There is good sensible science in among the mumbo jumbo and I do subscribe to sensible regulation to control the release of pollutants, as just one example, lead free petrol.
But, as outlined in my earlier posts, and it is just a bare bones outline, the agenda has been perverted by powerful interests to serve their own ends.

Regarding trees; take a quick look at the current policy for generating electrical power at Drax power station to see the folly of "unintended consequences".

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Dave

Its alarming how many millions have been suckered into the complete fiction of religion over the millennia or do you believe that religion is fact because it wasn't funded by a Government?

Climate Change is well established scientific fact, it's the extent of mans influence on the natural process that is still an emerging science.

OldBMW is spot on, the planet will eventually recover with or without us here to see it

(Good to see the HuBB Pub is started the New Year at a low point)

It, the solution, was influenced by Californian policies of the day apparently - I didn't know that, until now.
The misuse of Malthus | Matt Ridley

I was aware that USA sourced state-of-the-art-of-the-day programming machines (supplied by IBM IIRC) were used to coordinate the Nazi eugenic policy.
Nothing gets in the way of business.

? Possibly not.


ps
Read on in that blog and there is passing reference to UN ideology right up to the present day.

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Dave

I do believe that climate change is man influenced. Even if you do not I think this is the case. I think most of us can agree the climate is changing, weather patterns are changing and seem to be getting more extreme.

Also as a species how many of us can this world support? That is in a way that is acceptable to the many. After the world wars the difference between the have's and the have not's was far smaller, perhaps because of the guilt of the ruling elites to the many for their sacrifices? Now these memories ere fading and things are going backwards.

The top 1% now own 50% of everything! Also the the Population is getting bigger, much bigger and world resource is finite! So it seems a reasonable assumption that the vast majority will have to make to with less?

Could and should we manage our populations?

How can we decide what a fair system is to do this? Let a lone manage and enforce it?

I want to travel (by land) as I see a lot more of this world, rather than my air as I only ever get to experience the world in small bubbles about my landing points, never really joined up! Traveling more slowly on a bike is very efficient especially if it is not that bigger one! But the way things are going I see things sadly getting more polarised and therefore harder for us to explore the planet!

We will still be able to do it but the risks and obstacles will be more. I hope and believe it is still worth it though!