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Will Climate Change Spell The End of RTW Motorcycle Travel?
Shrekonweels, the fact you just linked climate to weather just goes to show how scientifically illiterate you are - maybe all that red meat has gone to your head bro.
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Shrekonweels, the fact you just linked climate to weather just goes to show how scientifically illiterate you are - maybe all that red meat has gone to your head bro.
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Oh brother, I linked articles to consider about possible intentional weather manipulation, which is a far cry from EVIL COMMON MAN EMITTING CO2
clearly you are lacking in vitamin storage upstairs lol.
Seriously do some reading, try some critical thinking and then possibly we can have a intelligent conversation, I look forward to it.
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I believe the onus is on the denier/skeptics to provide evidence contrary to the established scientific beliefs.................but we'll just end up posting swathes of links no one will read on both sides of the debate
Source - NASA
Gobal Temp Rise from 4 separate sources - NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, NOAA National Climatic Data Center, Met Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit and the Japanese Meteorological Agency
97% Of Published Climate Scientists agree that mankind is influencing climate change
Source - J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (June 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024
Quotation from page 3: "Among abstracts that expressed a position on AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-cause, Global Warming], 97.1% endorsed the scientific consensus.
And of course we have the dangerous side of polls and statistics where 30% of US Republicans voted in favour of bombing Agrabah - a fictional city from Aladin ROTFLMAO
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I believe the onus is on the denier/skeptics to provide evidence contrary to the established scientific beliefs.................but we'll just end up posting swathes of links no one will read on both sides of the debate
Source - NASA
Gobal Temp Rise from 4 separate sources - NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, NOAA National Climatic Data Center, Met Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit and the Japanese Meteorological Agency
97% Of Published Climate Scientists agree that mankind is influencing climate change
Source - J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (June 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024
Quotation from page 3: "Among abstracts that expressed a position on AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-cause, Global Warming], 97.1% endorsed the scientific consensus.
And of course we have the dangerous side of polls and statistics where 30% of US Republicans voted in favour of bombing Agrabah - a fictional city from Aladin ROTFLMAO |
I am reading posted links, but a couple of graphs shown in isolation do not amount to a readable document.
Within my link below you will quickly find an article about changes of mind among the scientific community + further commentary about the corruption of the data sets used for the temperature graphs - Piers Corbyn, the "amateur" weather forecaster, has also drawn attention to the phenomena of altered data to suit preconceived ideologies derived from computer based modelling that did not come up with the "right" predictions (it's in his website linked earlier).
JoNova
She is an Aussie so she doesn't mince about in her blog 
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My last post will only remain true until the lady blogger makes a few more entries into her home page.
So, here are better links.
[url=http://joannenova.com.au/2015/12/10-reasons-we-know-global-warming-is-not-man-made-physics-prof-explains-his-switch-to-skepticism/]10 reasons that show global warming is not man-made. Physics Prof explains his switch to skepticism.
29 Dec 2015
http://joannenova.com.au/about/archives/
http://joannenova.com.au/about/index/
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I am reading posted links, but a couple of graphs shown in isolation do not amount to a readable document.
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So you're saying they are false? Or do you believe NASA, et al along with those who carried out that research are wrong?
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I am reading posted links, but a co
Within my link below you will quickly find an article about changes of mind among the scientific community
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Evidence?
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I am reading posted links, but a co
+ further commentary about the corruption of the data sets used for the temperature graphs - Piers Corbyn, the "amateur" weather forecaster, has also drawn attention to the phenomena of altered data to suit preconceived ideologies derived from computer based modelling that did not come up with the "right" predictions (it's in his website linked earlier).
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But are you disputing that the link between Co2 and climate change or the problems with computer modeling? In your mind could it be you are more likely to believe an amateur in Australia because it conforms with your worldview, more than agencies like the International Panel on Climate Change, the MET, NASA, etc? By the way that blog comes across as false, shrill, loaded and cherry picked, to say the least.
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Dramatic? 
But it has been ... and WILL continue to be dramatic. We've already seen this throughout Latin America for decades. It only gets worse.
My experience may not be necessarily directly related to climate change but all kinds of events happened and WILL happen in future that will cause major disruptions for travelers. Climate Change will make these events more serious and more common ... and more dramatic.
I saw this during my short 7 years in the area. Massive mud slides and floods, bridges out, no water or power, major roads closed ... and ... no help!
Not for just a few days but sometimes MONTHS! Been there, seen it in person.
Man Made Climate change will most definitely worsen these events. They will likely (and are) be happening more frequently than ever before. Guaranteed.
Dramatic? Look around you ... and don't take your finger out of the dyke! 
But GO ... (go soon!) Do your trip the best you can!  |
Oh ok, sbut third world countries poor infrastructure and design have nothing to do with the slides or inability to get back up and running. Nothing new we have been having dramatic shifts for some time, welcome to earth.
From the founder of the Weather channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA
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So you're saying they are false? Or do you believe NASA, et al along with those who carried out that research are wrong?
Evidence?
But are you disputing that the link between Co2 and climate change or the problems with computer modeling? In your mind could it be you are more likely to believe an amateur in Australia because it conforms with your worldview, more than agencies like the International Panel on Climate Change, the MET, NASA, etc? By the way that blog comes across as false, shrill, loaded and cherry picked, to say the least.
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lol the International panel was a joke, others have came out against it. Further nobody has bothered to refute what stated about all those international countries NOT taking any actions about the supposed DIRE danger.
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"lol the International panel was a joke"
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See;
Argumentum ad lapidem
- dismissing a claim as absurd without demonstrating proof for its absurdity.
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, others have came out against it.
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Appeal to authority
- where an assertion is deemed true because of the position or authority of the person asserting it (besides not even caring to disclose said authorities?)
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Further nobody has bothered to refute [wonder why?] what stated about all those international countries NOT taking any actions about the supposed DIRE danger.
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- perfect example of an inductive fallacy (not to mention cherry picking) i.e. that unknown quantity of undisclosed nations allegedly took no action to mitigate consequences of climate change therefore climate change isn't real.
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So you're saying they are false? Or do you believe NASA, et al along with those who carried out that research are wrong?
Evidence?
But are you disputing that the link between Co2 and climate change or the problems with computer modeling? In your mind could it be you are more likely to believe an amateur in Australia because it conforms with your worldview, more than agencies like the International Panel on Climate Change, the MET, NASA, etc? By the way that blog comes across as false, shrill, loaded and cherry picked, to say the least.
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It is the case that one blog doth not a summer make.
It is necessary to read into the JoNova blog in order to see the content; it is well enough organised to find the information.
Elsewhere, the debate is lively and continuing:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ata-tampering/
Quite frequently, the discussions appended to blogs continue to delve into the items under consideration in an informed manner.
Such discourse is very up to date in this bit of that website:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ering-in-2014/
Regarding NASA:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ience-at-nasa/
So, yes, there is dissent about the computer modelling; in both the potential for corruption of the raw data, and in the modelling itself - that latter feature has not been mentioned in here up to now, but it certainly has been elsewhere.
The very old computing adage, GIGO, comes to mind, but even that does not recognise that the electronic model in the computer brain has to have some level of credence.
Reference can be made to Steven Goddards' professional work in writing computer software for some input about this aspect.
Of course there is ongoing dissent about the alleged corrolation between CO2 and the potential for warming the planet; it will be a much poorer world when there is no dissent within science, as has been mentioned earlier.
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Regarding NASA:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ience-at-nasa/
So, yes, there is dissent about the computer modelling; in both the potential for corruption of the raw data, and in the modelling itself - that latter feature has not been mentioned in here up to now, but it certainly has been elsewhere. |
Recently I came upon the item linked below and it reminded me of the extract shown above concerning a certain Dr Hansen, employed by NASA and who pulls in big bucks each and every year to publish.
C3: 2013: The NASA/Hansen Climate Model Prediction of Global Warming Vs. Climate Reality
It's just another example of how the alarming forecasts of even a few years ago just don't stack up with current measurements.
(a decade is a long time in climate science when the internet can retrieve data so readily - oh for the old days, when paper records could be more easily forgotten).
There's a whole load more reports here, peer-reviewed even:-
C3: 1 Peer-Reviewed Studies
Not omitting a few pesky other items:-
http://www.c3headlines.com/2-stubborn-facts/
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Oh brother, I linked articles to consider about possible intentional weather manipulation, which is a far cry from EVIL COMMON MAN EMITTING CO2
clearly you are lacking in vitamin storage upstairs lol.
Seriously do some reading, try some critical thinking and then possibly we can have a intelligent conversation, I look forward to it.
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I have read most of the links that you have posted in here so far; skim read in some cases + your blog (I wonder if anyone else has read that).
There are no inconsistencies IMO and I have learnt a bit about your part of the world (Montana for those who haven't indulged themselves).
Thanks!
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BTW I can control the weather! at least that's what my previous project manager stated when he dragged my into a meeting with HR following a months worth of rain in 12 hours August 2014- I no longer work there 
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So, what did we find out after the initial question was asked ?
The world is changing like it has always done.
People argue, like they have always done.
The climate change will influence the ways of the adventure rider, albeit not in dramatic ways. (unless you didn't count on mud in a previously drought stricken area and you never learned riding in mud  It might make throwing mud at each other even easier though ! )
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I have read most of the links that you have posted in here so far; skim read in some cases + your blog (I wonder if anyone else has read that).
There are no inconsistencies IMO and I have learnt a bit about your part of the world (Montana for those who haven't indulged themselves).
Thanks!
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Thank you, if you dig through my travels are there as well.
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So, what did we find out after the initial question was asked ?
The world is changing like it has always done.
People argue, like they have always done.
The climate change will influence the ways of the adventure rider, albeit not in dramatic ways. (unless you didn't count on mud in a previously drought stricken area and you never learned riding in mud It might make throwing mud at each other even easier though ! ) |
I agree, however the question asked in the future how will our travels be effected?
Well according to Gore and crew, they already should have been, islands should have been swallowed up whole already. Thus far none of this has happened, the Ocean continues to rise at roughly 3 inches a year which it has done for a very long time.
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couple things regarding this.
One as noted by Walkabout the link is supposedly to emissions leading to climate change, at least that was initially the argument, now it has broadened substantially beyond that emissions in the US at least are lower than they have been.
Two, I honestly quit reading the temperature readings when I found out the readings were beings messed with. If readings were not according to what they were supposed to be, they were adjusted, that is flat out screwing numbers. Another reason I came to the other side!
I would however thank you for your post, I love a debate based on data to back it up, very much appreciated 
With that said, I like the apocalypse nonsense, talk about adventure!
I wonder what the Visa requirements will be?
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There's a blog that claims to prove that God exists, even quotes some science, the authors written a book as well so it must be true 
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