I was glancing through photos of people setting off for their trips like this one:



(sorry Matt). And I just wondered, what on earth all that stuff was on that bike? And I've seen plenty more equally fully packed. I've come from a backpacking/cycle touring background and I can carry everything I need for a month or so in one 60 litre rucksack. Ok so biking gear can be bulkier but the bulky bits tend to be worn. I'm wondering, am I fortunate to be able to pack light, or am I missing something bulky that bikers need and I don't?

I ask this as a total novice to packing and going for anything more than an overnight trip, but I'm intrigued.

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i agree - some bikes look way overloaded BUT there are some things i need on the bike but don't need when i'm backpacking ...like the oil, chain lube, spares, tools, jerry ...ok, you might need them for cycling, but i find all cycle spares and lubes etc are a heck of a lot smaller than motorbike ones.

Also depends if you're camping & cooking - that stuff takes up a lot of space.

Think you would have enjoyed Dave Lomax's controversial presentation at the UK HU meet 'Overweight, Underprepared' ...that guy can get by with just one small holdall ...no creature comforts on his 'holiday'!

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i agree man, just packing myself (not literally because that would be foolish) and having a hard time. really tempted to go pete fonda style, just me and the bike hmmmmm.....
and even avoiding roaring petrol prices:

sorry, really sorry.

Here's pics of my 'load' on a recent two week trip....looks a bit big, but here's what's in it....

Tank Panniers (Dual Star)- 2 x 2 liter water bags -

Tank Bag (Dual Star)- maps, headlight (reading at night), Extra Fleece jacket, waterproof gloves, ear plugs, camera, neck warmer (cold fall mornings), book(s), tire pump, pressure gauge, latex gloves

Duffle (North Face Basecamp 90 l) - tent gear (Marmot Swallow 2 tent, poles, pegs, footprint), sleeping bag (+20f), eXped 9 DLX Air mat (this is the BEST), stove fuel - large format gazetteer maps in plastic case on top

Left pannier (GIVI T421's soft)- stove, nesting pot, tire tools/repair patches, two spare tubes, two plastic flat 'bits and pieces' tool trays (fuses, sockets etc), toiletries bag

Right Pannier - clothes (3 socks, 2 undies, 1 t shirt, 1 light sweater, 1 pair jeans, swimsuit, light towel), BBQ/Fire starter, multitool, sometimes quilted lining from jacket or pants, and because I'm older, the (I kinda question mentioning this...but)...the nalgene pee bottle - you don't have to get dressed at night you know...

My sense is whether 2 weeks or 2 months, pretty much everything is needed. In the recent trip, weather permitted not needing the extra fleece jacket - also didn't need tubes or tools but...used the camp gear each night, stove, fuel, reading material, camera, etc. Had one laundry session.

Planning to stay in hostels or motel/hotel or pensions would significantly reduce load....however, camping can be cheap - accommodation costs for 2 weeks with camping gear were - free, free, $39 (motel), free, free, free, free $12 (state park with shower), free, free, free, $18 (National Forest site), free, home. MeThinks the tent's worth loading up the bike....

(Pics are from Alvord Desert Playa area, near Fields, in southern Oregon...)

Would be interested in hering any ideas on things I could do to reduce the kit....

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Well, you could probably lose the tank panniers/water bags and the tank bag, and just use a camelbak (3 litre) for water and stash the bits and bobs in your other luggage/jacket pockets/camelbak stowage pocket?

Also, most people get by with just a single (front) tube, saves a bit more space in one of those panniers. You might also be able to condense the contents of your plastic 'bits and pieces' trays - how many fuses/bolts/connectors do you need to get you to a town/shop? A jetboil can combine the cooker/pans and fuel (a small cylinder lasts a long time), while CO2 cannisters can replace a tyre pump - this is all bulky stuff...

I managed to get my small (freestanding) two man tent (no need for the footprint), thermarest and sleeping bag into a 35 litre rollbag along with my jetboil, rather than the 90 litre North Face duffle you have (although your camping kit sounds a very nice set-up)...

This fall I'm heading back to the desert states, but will forgo the camping kit for a credit card and my GPS motel directory... I have a 31 litre Ortlieb bag for clothes, a 5 litre tool pack on the bike for tools and tubes, and a 3 litre camelback with 15 litre expanding stowage for maps, gloves and a spare fleece.

Who knows, next time I might take even less?!

xxx

I like to carry my stuff as low as possible, this is for a year:

Jenny....thanks for the notes on reducing kit....I have been interested in how many people seem to carry a back pack...camelback or other....I did that for a while but found the extra weight reduced comfortable time on the seat...

Now I don't carry anything on 'me' except clothes with empty pockets except for passport, wallet, sunglasses....I feel lighter and less 'driven' into the seat....hence the extra pack space on the bike...

I could lose some weight I know, but in the meantime.....

I do agree with you on only one tube....except it always seems to be the rear that goes nd I've never been fully confident of fitting the larger front to the rear...also agree on the jet boil, smaller tent etc....but... don't want to buy yet more gear when the existing stuff seems to work OK....

in carrying 'bits and pieces', I've found many occasion when I haven't actually needed the stuff, but someone else on the road is short and I've been able to supply a fix...which adds to the shared experience....just yesterday in fact I stopped to help a cyclist who had a flat and no pump....I did....things worked out...

And, lastly, I do envy those of you who can still sleep comfortably on a thermarest....alas, after hitting 50 I just had to upgrade.....or resign myself to the motel/hostel thing....the eXped is the absolute best option I've found....air mat with down inside....

Always interesting hear others perspective on things.....Do enjoy your time in the southern desert country....check out the Alvord if you're in the vicinity....

Stephen

two up for a year, camping gear included. and by the end of the trip, we could have fit half-a-dozen bottles of wine. with our keep-warm gear on, that is...

pack light, live better. cheers,
andy (and emily)

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Yeah. Everybody always says less is better. Theyre right. Too bad they are always wrong when you are actually packing

Packing light? I reckon traveling with an articulated truck..even for a year would hardly be concidered "light" ( though it has it's merits)

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Doesn't look too bad does it? But the shipping fellas have just told me the (crated) weight is 440kg.
And I swore I'd travel light last time...

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All this travelling light business is really overated IMHO. I mean, arriving at a campsite without Gin, Tonic, Glass, olives etc. just lacks a certain something. The sidecar helps of course

On the tube thing I think it is equally a worry what some people don't carry over what they do. I've met plenty in Europe and just beyond carrying a single tube because someone told them it was the thing to do, but with no idea how easy it is to change. The same guys who expect to fit a 21" tube into their 17" rear without ever practiceing at home (and without pinching it) will be carrying a chain and sprockets for a 3 week ride because it's on a list they read for a RTW. The G-clamp I carry for dealing with awkward tyre beads (doubles as a vice) probably weighs less and a bottle of slime (or RAC card) would be just as much use to the unpracticed.

Water is another good one. 10 litres per person per day is fine away from civilisation, but why do I see riders getting on the ferry to Spain with full water bottles (although those panniers with the tank build in could be a useful way to shift a gallon or three of dago red on the way home). Lugging 10kg of English water then drinking coca cola all the way can't be the way to do it (not that I drink the stuff, prefer the whisky neat, although tea would taste better I'm told). Too many people just wanting to say they own a camelbak or Sigg bottle, or not understanding what their own kit is for? The empty Camelbak weighs something similar to a 300ml plastic bottle bungeed to the rack and will be fine until you start buying litre bottles a week later? Up to each person of course, I'd stop to use a Camelbak tube anyway (uncontrolled drinks risk putting my pipe out).

I think I'd rather see inexperienced riders with piles of stuff while they make their lists of what they personally didn't need/can't use, the people doing big trips after a lot of practice having exactly what they need (and no more) and us semi-alchoholic, food obsessed, pipe smoking types safe on our outfits doing it Victorian explorer style. It's whatever makes your trip.

Got to do now, time for tiffin,

Andy

I agree

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