Ulrich,

Be still, be still, don't do anything, stop, stop all motion, just accept your fate, you do not have the power to change anything, it is no use to even try, children are better seen than heard, "just shut up"....and oh my God, what if people's beliefs are superior to the mechanics of the physical universe?

How will we ever control the masses, if this is true, let's suppress this right now? Most religions teach us people are bad, not good, by nature and must be controlled and "saved." Keep them all under control! Don't let them move! This is the only way to survive!

These are the mantras of the suppressor.

Ulrich, having been a "hostage," and assuming you are no longer, can you definitively state that suggestions like mine gave you nothing?


NO, most people are good by nature and much more powerful than they believe. People are much more powerful than they are "allowed" to believe.

WAIT.......together..... we will my friend, but a few of us, not among, Henry David Thoreau's "mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation," but as the powerful spiritual beings that we are, and always will be. xfiltrate

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Ah, I understand!

And Darwin's theorie of evolution didn't exist.

Best regards

Ulrich

I remember seeing on DW the story and when you are far away(argentina) you don´t recollect the facts so easy.Its just another story on tv.....now again with travellers.
As you said before wait and hope its just a good ending story....again.
KH

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Certainly, we should be positive about the outcome, particulary as these are travellers just like us and if it could happen to them it could happen to any of us.

However, the way I see it is, if we want to be proactive we should contact our governmental representatives, such as the local MP or MEP in the UK and raise this as a point that you care about.

The more people do this, the more coverage. The more coverage the more politcal pressure there is for governments to act in order to assist/push forward negotiations.

Coverage and public opinion is always being used to reach a given goal by governments: perhaps we should provide them with the goal of getting these two people released....

Take the case of the missing McCann child as an example of what a bit of noise in the right ears can generate....

Then, yes, you wait....
Either way I really hope this ends well.

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Hello Warthog,
that's true, but this was in an European country. In african countries, especially Algeria and Tunisia the watches go another way.

Remember what roumors have been in all that forums by our abduction and what pressure there was to Algeria, but very late, so also our government first wasn't interested to do something. It's allways all to be found on the web.

I too hope, they come free soon, and I think also, that the austrian, tunisian and algerian officials no are faster and work closer together than 2003.

Greetings

Ulrich

Ulrich, I realized immediately that you misinterpreted my statements about religion and suppression. I believe religions have been the major cause of the suppression of humanity, especially the Christian religion.

Please re read my message. I am not a fundamentalist anything and least of all a fundamentalist Christian who won't allow scientific fact to get in the way of their kicked in the head belief system. While I certainly respect everyones right to worship as one pleases, contemporary religions are not for me. Somehow, I overcame my own religious implant, did you?

I am as I said a spiritual being who believes, we together have the power to effect change in the physical universe as scientifically proven via random number generating machines in various scientific labs throughout the world.

I believe very strongly in a Supreme Being, a God.

Together, we can alter events for the good if we consider what is good for all concerned. Unlike religious doctrine, I firmly believe man is basically GOOD, NOT BAD. Good is here defined as potential survival through all the dynamics of life. While change is constant and change is sometimes destructive, BAD could be considered what is potential succumb through all the dynamics of life.

That is all I am saying. I am at a total loss to understand why you asked me about Darwin and if he existed? Please reread my last post, in the context of what I write here. thank you

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Am I the only one confused about this guy (xfiltrate)? Im sure you have a secret agenda hidden in your posts.

xfiltrate and others-

As a neutral party not involved in this side discussion you have started, I was wondering if it were at all possible for you to begin a new thread with it? I come to this particular thread as I am very interested in the fates of these two hostages, and would prefer to not constantly be disappointed that the new post written has nothing to do with the hostages and their situation.

Sorry for my own interruption.

...would prefer to not constantly be disappointed that the new post written has nothing to do with the hostages and their situation...

I agree. Is no one moderating this? Nigel Marx wake up!

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Seems to be the case that according to dutch newspaper "De Volkskrant" dated 12-03-08 that they have been taken to Mali and that the kidnappers will give their demands for their release in due time. Their source is the Algerian newspaper "Annahar".

The hostages are in good health.

Tammo

Away from 'the argument' it seems strange to me that IF it is Al-Qaeda then why are they being taken to Mali?

Why not Algeria? Where I would think that Al-Q would have more 'sympathy' from locals & govt. alike ...

I can't imagine the Malian govt. sitting & doing nothing letting them take them over the border.

How much of this story is manufactured???

Kira

I have PM'ed xfiltrate and asked him to only post what is independently verifiable.

I have removed or edited several posts.

In this case, where people's live are at serious risk, levels heads are needed.

All personal beliefs, spiritual, religious or otherwise should be kept for forum that are more appropriate. I doubt if a discussion along these lines would even be tolerated in "The Bar".

Regards

Nigel in NZ

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Hope the people are freed soon,
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why are they being taken to Mali?

I believe when they say 'Mali' they dont mean downtown Bamako they mean far north Mali where there is no law. That's where half the 2003s ended up.

Why not Algeria? Where I would think that Al-Q would have more 'sympathy' from locals & govt. alike ...
Algeria? I dont think so!

I can't imagine the Malian govt. sitting & doing nothing letting them take them over the border.
North of Tessalit and west Timbuktu there is no Mali govt. In Algeria they would be tracked down and caught too soon.

IMO this as an Algerian operation that was on the cards the way things have been going there, not one based in Tunisia.

Let's hope it ends quickly for the 2 concerned.

Ch

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