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31 Oct 2018
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Touring South Africa
Hi you all
It's very safe to travel SA I'm the host off the HU in SA and we are doing a lot off travelling in and around Southern Africa. People are friendly and always helpful but need to be streetwise .We are doing a trip after the event around Lesotho with no worries at all, so come and see for yourself and enjoy one off the nicest bike destinations in the world. Remember always welcome in Potchefstroom and RTW travellers can stay for free at Elgro River Lodge up to 4 days
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14 Nov 2018
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Its very safe. The media like to make a mountain out of a mole hill
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15 Nov 2018
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Some follow up now I have completed the ride in South Africa.
First of all it is a beautiful place with great riding roads, excellent wine and very affordable for food. I rode a BMW G310 from Johannesburg to Cape Town 10 days solo ride.
The first few nights were in towns with no issues, Sabie, Emello, Clarens, Underburg, Queenstown. Port Elizabeth in afternoon when I stopped in front of apartment to contact regarding checking in I was attacked by two men with knife and my phone stolen.
When leaving PE there are lots of men loitering at traffic lights and two tried to jump me so I had to run the red light then stop way back from subsequent lights where others were.
In Oudsthoorn I had bike parked on footpath outside pub and some shady dudes were eyeing it so move it into courtyard while eating and sure enough they came back with a huge steel bar and angry were roaming the street taking swings at passing people. In Cape town I foolishly tried to go out from my downtown hotel at night and the area after sunset is like the movie Escape from New York, fortunately the hotel had good food haha.
So for me it was mostly ok but PE was bit more lawless than I expected. In many country towns there are burnt tyre markings on highway either side of town where there had been road blocks at some stage but I never saw any active on my ride.
The South African people were super friendly and helpful, well I have to clarify that, the black South African people were arrogant or hostile to me without exception but otherwise I was warmly welcomed and made to feel like long lost friend in couple of pubs.
I am experienced traveler and spent lot of time in Philippines. I should have been on guard more in PE. Easy to say after the fact and I am sure some self proclaimed experts will tell me what I should have done. I can say after that I did not try any more apartments where one needs to stop and use phone and reverted to hotels where you ride into secure compounds with high voltage fencing and had no other trouble.
Glad I went and I suggest on my blog for people to go and just consider a tour if concerned.
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23 Nov 2018
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I’m really sorry to hear about your incidents in South Africa Iron Chef. I’m an expat Living in Cape Town for 7 years and never had a problem. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time I suppose. South Africa is an amazing country full of amazing people. It also has some of the best rides on and off road in the world. I hope that you will give it another try especially the Western Cape
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23 Nov 2018
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There are definitely some neighborhoods in South African cities which are not very safe--or demonstrably unsafe. It's like Brazil in that respect--or Guatemala City, Lagos, Chicago or L.A. This doesn't make traveling around the country unsafe--it just means not wandering too blindly.
I specifically remember feeling uneasy in parts of Port Elizabeth, certain neighborhoods in Johannesburg, and the townships around Cape Town. There are certainly more. As always, specific local knowledge is the best--and that doesn't mean local knowledge which consists of "Don't worry, everything's fine, do whatever you please."
I'll offer a counterpoint to the report that Black South Africans were hostile while Whites were not. My own direct experience was that the scariest people by far were drunk Whites, mostly Afrikaners, fondly reminiscing about killing Kaffirs during the wars in Namibia, Angola and Mozambique. The fact that these men were unfailingly generous and friendly to me, a White American tourist, was thin comfort.
As far as the original query, I wondered whether there was recent news of widespread unrest or danger to travelers. It appears not. Beautiful country, with lots to offer and easier traveling than anywhere else I've been in Africa.
Hope that's helpful.
Mark
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24 Nov 2018
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Originally Posted by Kobus Fourie
Hi you all
It's very safe to travel SA I'm the host off the HU in SA and we are doing a lot off travelling in and around Southern Africa. People are friendly and always helpful but need to be streetwise .We are doing a trip after the event around Lesotho with no worries at all.......
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Yes and no. You, as a local, know the country, but for foreigners it isn't always easy to identify no-go areas.
IMHO there are a few rules a visitor should stick to:
- never travel in the dark, if you can avoid it.
- steer clear of the big cities, esp. the former townships. There isn't anything interesting to see anyway.
- only walk the streets if the locals consider it to be safe.
- don't fiddle with your smartphone or camera in the public streets.
- when drawing money at an ATM, ride on as quickly as possible. There are always people loitering around, watching you and interested in what you're doing.
The rural areas are usually safe to travel - and generally more scenic ;o) But this shouldn't keep you from visiting beautiful towns eg. like Cape Town.
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