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**Threewheelbonnie** · #16 15 Feb 2012

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Originally Posted by warrigal 1

yes but can a non european / uk person do this

Of course. No ID is required, we don't have ID cards or anything like the French

. They'll actually be so terrified of getting sued for racisim they'd sell this rubbish to a Martian. It's a tax. If you say you want to pay they'll take your money.

You can actually do the insurance on-line from an internet cafe or hotel reception, they'll mail a PDF of the cover note same day. The insurance is invalid if you lie about the address so make sure you are covered by the green card from Germany or whatever in case you do crash, this paperwork is only there to grease the wheels of the tax system if you lied to get it.

Your seller is been a PITA because if you decided to stay a few years, claim the dole, have a free Kidney transplant, go through the tax cameras over the limit, assasinate the Queen etc. he's going to get all the hassle. Facts don't worry the DVLA, if his name is on the paperwork they'll send the boys round after his cash.

I guess this vehicle is special? No chance of buying one with 6 months Tax and MOT somewhere between Heathrow and Dover?

Andy

**warrigal 1** · #17 15 Feb 2012

So do you have a Website address

Every wher I contact they don't even respond to my emails

**warrigal 1** · #18 16 Feb 2012

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I guess this vehicle is special? No chance of buying one with 6 months Tax and MOT somewhere between Heathrow and Dover?

Andy

no the vehicle isn't special, its just a vehicle, and what do you do with a vehicle DRIVE it. its not thevehicle that is the problem its the DUMB beuruacicy that says that because I am not a UK citizen. I can't drive it or get a 3rd party insurance to drive any vehicle.

**warrigal 1** · #19 16 Feb 2012

i have just looked at Direct gov. DVLA and it suggests I don't need a gren card insurance for Western European countrys.

I am still looking for a UK based company that will provide 3rd party insurance to a non resident.

**Walkabout** · #20 16 Feb 2012

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Originally Posted by warrigal 1

i have just looked at Direct gov. DVLA and it suggests I don't need a gren card insurance for Western European countrys.

I am still looking for a UK based company that will provide 3rd party insurance to a non resident.

Try this thread for ideas about green card ins for Europe; after all the UK is still in Europe:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...et-cheap-34822

When I lived on the continent I insured my UK vehicle via an insurance broker over there; that was years ago when UK insurers were not used to providing green card cover for longer than a two week touring holiday to Europe.

Also, you could take a look at this UK insurer, but I think they will want you to have a UK driving licence and have an address in the UK:-
Fast, Low Cost Online Insurance From eInsurance Group
They work exclusively online and will not deal with you by telephone which can be a complete PITA.

**ilesmark** · #21 16 Feb 2012

Not much I can add to this apart from agree with the above.

The UK insurance industry and DVLA do NOT recognise the concept of 'non-resident', although the insurance cos do get upset if you don't have a UK/EU driving licence. For the purposes of things like income tax or immigration status - it's different.

You give a drop-box address to get the V5 into your name and you get the vehicle MOT'd. Simultaneously you use the drop-box address to get a 3rd party insurance policy (which you don't need to show proof of MOT or road tax for and which DOES give you 3rd party aka Green Card cover for up to 60 days elsewhere in the Green Card area (the EU plus other countries in the Green Card scheme)). When the V5 arrives, you take it, the MOT and the insurance doc to your nearest post office and buy a tax disc. Then you drive to Dover, you get on the ferry, you drive across the EU and exit it within 60 days. At that point, if you want to re-register the vehicle somewhere new you declare it permanently exported or, if you want it to keep its home of registration as the UK so that you don't want to mess about with re-registering the vehicle somewhere new, you SORN the vehicle. You may also want to consider cashing in the unexpired proportion of the road tax at this point, although not sure how that will work if you don't have a UK bank a/c.

Alternatively, once you have got the V5 into your name at the drop-box address and taken out 3P insurance, if you're not a UK citizen and don't ever want to live there you could take a chance on driving the vehicle straight to Dover and onto a ferry without MOT or road tax. Others on this forum may have a clearer idea of the likelihood of you getting stopped and the vehicle impounded by ANPR-equipped police on the way (think that's more likely with no insurance), otherwise all that will happen is a series of fines (and bailiffs, eventually!) turning up at the drop-box address after you're long-gone.

Agree with the other comments about the seller being a PITA though. A lot of buyers would have simply walked away from someone who is seemingly refusing to budge on anything.

Good luck!

**Walkabout** · #22 16 Feb 2012

Here's a google search based on "non resident car insurance uk"

non resident car insurance uk - Google Search

& one or two particular links from tbe above:-

Car Insurance for Non UK Residents

Car Insurance UK Cheap Deals

http://www.superquote.com/foreign-li...nal-insurance/

**warrigal 1** · #23 20 Feb 2012

Thanks for all the Replys, comments, answers, I take it that most of this information comes from a GB person perpective of the vehicle Licencing and insurance In GB

I think I may have found someone that can provide me with a Uk adress for documentation.
But that is only less than 1/ 3rd off the poblem, The biggest is this beleif in the UK that a person not licenced in the UK, would not be able to Drive successfully without insident in The UK, I mean your taffic is bad but, howbad it, that a driver any driver couldn't do it. Obvoiusly your country Driving licence and a international Driving permit mean nothing ( although I will have to renew this very soon)

Insurance to drive, well this is what I call 3rd party insurance, Not insurance for yourself, but insurance for any one else on the road in case of a accident.
I still ask the question Why is it only a UK resident can have this.
I have contacted many insurance companys over the last 2 weeks or so and some of they won't even answer my emails. This just tells me That they don't want to do business and make money.

European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.

Thanks for the search engine links , But I have done them all, every turn I make their is another UK brick wall their saying residency or residency and Uk licence or watever. or even just residency with money.

This just tells me the Uk is not interesed in the traveler. particulaaly one like me that was mearly using the UK as a starting point or a short or long journey.

People are doing these very types of trips all the Time, either with motor bikes for this forum or with vehcles, there would have been people from all round the world have done this before.
I just wonder weather the motorcycle rider is getting the same treatment.

I have a drivers licence, but this does not allow me to drive a vehicle in the UK. 6 or 7 hours to drive it to a ferry port.

**warrigal 1** · #24 20 Feb 2012

Just to answer the question on ownership

at this stage I still don't have tille to the vehicle, the seller hasn't signed the forms a yet to transfer title.

But if their is no chance of getting 3rd party insurance , then their is no point continuing.

I still don't know the procedure to go about getting this Tax disc document that most say can just me bought from the post office.
What I have been told is I can't get this until I have a Insurance policy in force. Is this correct or can anybody else do this.

Ultimately now I have probably lost the vehicle and another $2000 or so If I can't get to the UK to sort in out, and there appears to be no way I can do this ONLINE (WEB) and pay online what is needed, paticully in the insurance policy areas. I can't even find a online application form for this.
Insurance policy.

The problem for me it is not a vehicle from somewhere else going to EUROPE, It is a Vehicle from GB going into the European continent.

Importing a vehicle from overseas into europe No problem, Green card insurance using exsisting rego or road tax.

Thanks to rory 799 I might just be finding some answers to this, but still got a bit of away to go tho.

**Walkabout** · #25 20 Feb 2012

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Originally Posted by warrigal 1

Thanks for all the Replys, comments, answers, I take it that most of this information comes from a GB person perpective of the vehicle Licencing and insurance In GB
................................................. I suppose so, but is this relevant?

I think I may have found someone that can provide me with a Uk adress for documentation.
But that is only less than 1/ 3rd off the poblem,
.................................. Not so; as per my earlier post, if you can solve this then you have the key to everything else.

The biggest is this beleif in the UK that a person not licenced in the UK, would not be able to Drive successfully without insident in The UK, I mean your taffic is bad but, howbad it, that a driver any driver couldn't do it. Obvoiusly your country Driving licence and a international Driving permit mean nothing ( although I will have to renew this very soon)
....................................... There are loads of immigrants driving around the UK in UK registered vehicles with foreign driving licences.

Insurance to drive, well this is what I call 3rd party insurance, Not insurance for yourself, but insurance for any one else on the road in case of a accident.
........................... Exactly so, the same definition is used here.

I still ask the question Why is it only a UK resident can have this.
I have contacted many insurance companys over the last 2 weeks or so and some of they won't even answer my emails. This just tells me That they don't want to do business and make money.
............................... Disappointing I agree, but by email is a bit of a pain anyway - as per earlier posts, just do it manually face to face with an insurance broker when you are here - can't see why you want to insure a vehicle until then.

European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.
................................... I don't know what this means; green card ins is 3rd party insurance and is the minimum for driving anywhere in Europe including the UK (although for the purist answer there is a little used version of this called "road traffic act" cover).

Thanks for the search engine links , But I have done them all, every turn I make their is another UK brick wall their saying residency or residency and Uk licence or watever. or even just residency with money.

This just tells me the Uk is not interesed in the traveler. particulaaly one like me that was mearly using the UK as a starting point or a short or long journey.

People are doing these very types of trips all the Time, either with motor bikes for this forum or with vehcles, there would have been people from all round the world have done this before.
I just wonder weather the motorcycle rider is getting the same treatment.
............................................. I can see that you are frustrated!!

I have a drivers licence, but this does not allow me to drive a vehicle in the UK. 6 or 7 hours to drive it to a ferry port.
............................... I believe it does, but I am kind of loosing track of what you want to achieve. As per earlier, if you are just driving this vehicle to the port to export it and never bring it back to the UK then why bother with an MOT? So with a UK accommodation address, you have cracked it!!!!

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**Walkabout** · #26 20 Feb 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrigal 1

Just to answer the question on ownership

at this stage I still don't have tille to the vehicle, the seller hasn't signed the forms a yet to transfer title.
.................................................. ... Nor will he, until the deal is done; he is the registered keeper -all as per earlier posts - and he has to account for that to the authorities until it is signed over to you on the V5c; all as described in earlier posts.
In summary, the title goes with the V5c.

But if their is no chance of getting 3rd party insurance , then their is no point continuing.
I still don't know the procedure to go about getting this Tax disc document that most say can just me bought from the post office.
What I have been told is I can't get this until I have a Insurance policy in force. Is this correct or can anybody else do this.
.............................................. totally correct, but the current owner can tax it for you now, assuming that he has it "on the road" under his own insurance and MOT; those two documents along with the V5c have to be produced at a "tax disc selling place" = any post office.
So, you get the vehicle seller to do this on your behalf, as part of the deal for purchasing the vehicle from him (it is a buyers' market after all, paying him for the actual costs involved additional to the fair price that you have agreed for the vehicle - how hard is that? Happens here every day of the week).
Summary; for a tax disc you need to show valid insurance, MOT and the V5c as the RK.

Ultimately now I have probably lost the vehicle and another $2000 or so If I can't get to the UK to sort in out, and there appears to be no way I can do this ONLINE (WEB) and pay online what is needed, paticully in the insurance policy areas. I can't even find a online application form for this.
Insurance policy.

The problem for me it is not a vehicle from somewhere else going to EUROPE, It is a Vehicle from GB going into the European continent.
................................................. thousands upon thousands of Brits living in France etc know what you are talking about here

Importing a vehicle from overseas into europe No problem, Green card insurance using exsisting rego or road tax.

Thanks to rory 799 I might just be finding some answers to this, but still got a bit of away to go tho.

More thoughts

**Tony P** · #27 20 Feb 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrigal 1

I have a drivers licence, but this does not allow me to drive a vehicle in the UK.

Not so.
A 'full age' visitor who has a foreign Drivers Licence is permitted to drive similar classes of vehicles in UK on it for a limited period (I forget if it is 6 months or a year). After this period it must either be surrendered/exchanged for a UK equivalent or if issued by countries where Test Standards are not considered by DVLA to be sufficiently rigid (ie. can be bought, as where I am!) you must take the UK tests.

**Walkabout** · #28 20 Feb 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony P

Not so.
A 'full age' visitor who has a foreign Drivers Licence is permitted to drive similar classes of vehicles in UK on it for a limited period (I forget if it is 6 months or a year). After this period it must either be surrendered/exchanged for a UK equivalent or if issued by countries where Test Standards are not considered by DVLA to be sufficiently rigid (ie. can be bought, as where I am!) you must take the UK tests.

AND, you don't even have to show your driving licence to get the tax disc at a post office or online - that thing you are so worried about. That aspect is taken into account by the insurance companies who will want to know about the fact that you have one and all the rest of the information about your age and similar factors when you apply for insurance.

For background information, this linking of databases on various computer records developed relatively recently (as in the last few years) with the insurance records being linked to the DVLA - up until then there were any amount of fiddles going on that resulted in uninsured vehicles being used on the roads - even now, some insurance companies estimate that up to 10% of vehicles on the UK roads are not insured - hence you could probably get to a ferry terminal as discussed earlier if you don't actually care about bringing that vehicle back here ------- buy the vehicle with a valid tax disc/MOT and still covered by the current owners' insurance (in the latter case for a day or two) - that takes care of all the ANPR cameras which don't who is actually at the wheel - and high-tail it to the ferry. When the V5c is received at your accommodation address you just need that to be forwarded to you, where ever you are by then.
The outcome then is that you have a UK registered vehicle overseas and without insurance cover, but that is a whole different topic.

**Tony P** · #29 20 Feb 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walkabout

buy the vehicle with a valid tax disc/MOT and still covered by the current owners' insurance (in the latter case for a day or two) - that takes care of all the ANPR cameras which don't who is actually at the wheel - and high-tail it to the ferry. When the V5c is received at your accommodation address you just need that to be forwarded to you, where ever you are by then.

You will only need the V5C for certain when entering/leaving the EU or Schengen zone from/to a non member country, although in theory ......stuff theory, you've tried to do it correctly and DVLA is predictably being the least user-friendly and the most unhelpful public body in UK (more so than even the Tax people)!

Another solution could be to transport the vehicle on a trailer or lorry and unload it once on the port's own land. This does not have to be southern England. There are ferries from various ports along the east coast, sailing to various ports on mainland Europe, mainly Scandinavia. There are certainly some from Newcastle which is close to Scotland - possibly from ports in Scotland also.

For Insurance, you could try www.stuartcollins.com
They are insurance brokers who specialise in insurance for UK registered vehicles (not motos) that spend much time outside UK, elsewhere in EU.

An important point to remember is in UK, to legally own a vehicle it does not have to be Registered in your name. As Owner you have what they call an 'Insurable Interest' and you can insure it, even without the Registered Keeper having yet received the V5C - subject to meeting Insurer's other requirements (age, valid licence, claims record, offences record, etc).

**warrigal 1** · #30 21 Feb 2012

Dave wrote. ............................... I believe it does, but I am kind of loosing track of what you want to achieve. As per earlier, if you are just driving this vehicle to the port to export it and never bring it back to the UK then why bother with an MOT? So with a UK accommodation address, you have cracked it!!!!

If the Ford Transit Van that I have bought doesn't have MOT inspection done and is in Road Tax well how is it a legal vehicle to drive in France on its UK number plates.

No I will have to get the MOT, and The TAX disc plus the insurance , then probably more insurance for France. Its not made easy.

I need all this done by sombody else before I travel.

my itinary would be flight in to Paris, then get over to UK London.ASAP.

travel Trains and Buses to Scotland. Pick up vehicle, fuel up and supplys etc en route to Folkstone, or Harwich ferry port. trying to keep off the major highways etc, if I can't get insurance and Mot and tax sorted in my name. then I still have to now weather it need a export. I fought a UK plated vehicle could just travel to the european continent without forms. etc

yes I have found someone that can give be a postal address, but I still don't have the Insurance down yet. Why are the insurance company being so difficult. I need to get it all done online and paid online before I travel.
every online company I have looked at don't have online facilitys.

The seller has kindly stored this vehicle for me for the last 6 months at a low charge. but he won't let me drive it without insurance while the MOT and Tax is still in his name. And he has said he can't pay it and then transfer it to me. (he says that can't be done)

so I found a address so far

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