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Petition to: suspend Section 6 of the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act 2006 to allow "byways open to all traffic" to be established where motor vehicle rights of way existed prior to 2006.

Sorry Daz, these lanes are not suitable for wheeled traffic - they only destroy the way and make it impassable for others. You can see the damage and it's not sustainable.

You also get offroad m/cycling a bad name.

Just returning to the original reply from C, there are no facts quoted, but opinions about the capability of lanes and it just goes on from there: not a single fact, in fact.

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Lets not allow this discussion to get too personal or childish...

I really see nothing wrong with what Caminando has stated here. He's entitled to his opinion as indeed you ALL are. Personally, I admire him for standing up against all your combined mass...

We ALL need to remember that we are ALL motorcyclists together and that we share a common passion. An opinon is formed from direct life experiences.

In a perfect world you guys would have unfettered access to all Green Lanes but this country is a long way from being perfect at the moment. This damn government fails to mend and maintain the highways therefore it's not entirely surprising they aren't going to spend money on your beloved Green Lanes. If things are ever going to change for the better we need to get rid of the Human Rights Act / Health and Safety Nazis ect.. and establish a "Ministry of Common Sense" with a wide remit and full executive powers. I fear that the future for Green-Laning is bleak to say the least

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Well said dude, that statement smacks true with so many things in life...

I agree with the "Ministry of Common Sense" While we are at it, can we also have a new criminal charge of "Being a Twat" I think with both of them in place it would take about three weeks to sort the country out.

You are right that the future of green laning is bleak. I have even had aged TRF stalwarts tell me that when all they lanes have gone, they will probably end up running an old bike with no plates and go back to riding the lanes as they used to 30 years ago.

The problem with locking "twats" up like this is that we wouldn't have any government ministers left to run (sorry - ruin) OUR country.

Our servants (people that we elect to parliament to represent OUR views) are now becoming our masters without our knowledge or permission!

The Green-Lane problem which we are discussing here directly concerns these twats. Nothing is likely to EVER change for the better all the whilst the people elect lib/lab/con.

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Well that's a change of view in the last 24 hours: it is never too late to come on-side with the way ahead for Green Lanes, among all of the other issues that have cropped up.

Unfortunately, regarding the "we are all riders together theme", this does not stack up against some of the opinions expressed to date - but this thread is not unique in that regard!

BTW
"The trouble with common sense is that it is none too common".

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With regard to Green-Lanes, local authorities (county, town, district, borough and parish councils) are charged with looking after these environmental issues:



The UK government has now empowered these local goverment departments with enforcement powers which before were normally performed by central government departments (Home Office etc..).

It is now possible for local authorities to act as quasi-police in respect of parking, environmental health and highway matters. Local councils now possess powers that were usually the remit of MI5 (Security Service), such as monitoring telephone conversations and obtaining subscriber records from the telephone providers. This is quite worrying for a so called free and democratic country.

These local authorities are controlled by elected councellors who are supposed to do what the local people want (who voted them into their appointment). Unfortunetely this doesn't always happen as you guys are finding out. The councils are staffed by politically correct wooly minded liberals with more interest in pleasing central govenment than acting on behalf of the local people whom they are supposed to serve and represent.

Since 1997 the local government changes in the UK have been enormous (some including myself would say disasterous)! Our servants now look upon themselves as our MASTERS! This is the reason why you guys are getting nowhere. These morons think they are above the law and make decisions which benefit themselves and their mates. It's all about getting "Brownie Points" so they can climb the slippery ladder to ultimate power. Sod the local people, "I want my new Range Rover"!

Nothing is going to change soon because most local governments are obssessed with GREEN ENVIRONMENT issues and RECYCLING! This is the reason why Green Lanes take a back seat. You guys are the ENEMY and no one is likely to rock the boat all the while all these green policies are generating huge amounts of extra revenue.

It's all about personal enrichment.



My advice - Get rid of you're offroaders and get a road bike... You need to adapt to the circumstances. There are simply NOT enough of you to change anything... This is what Caminando and myself were telling you... The alternative is to waste your time making a pointless stand and finding an early grave through stress!

Sorry to get so political here but it had to be said. It will be interesting to learn if any of you chaps have a different slant on things... Or am I just paranoid?

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The "roads" in question were designed for Horse/pedestrian traffic.
The advent of wealth for the masses has enabled them to buy toys, 2 and 4 wheeled, that rip the tracks apart because its boring to travel on them at walking pace. Lots of revs, low gears and mud slinging tyres look much more the part.

The basic problem is that there are TOO many people that want to do it and the tracks cant recover. Years ago when it was called scrambling in the UK, there were only a few that did it. The rest of us watched it on TV on a Sunday afternoon

John

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Sorry, all for saving the green lanes and that means not abusing them. Leave the lanes for walkers, horses and mountain bikes. Enjoy the peace, flora and fauna that has been massacred in the UK since the war. That island is way too small and crowded for this kind of thing now.

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For a week, or several centuries?
How long does a man spend dying?
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Why?

Walkers have "millions" of miles of footpaths + "the right to roam" legislation that allows them to go onto just about anyones' land.

Horse riders have bridleways - enough said.

That leaves green lanes that have had a right of access since time began - so let's ban that as well is the basic reaction of the ramblers et al.

When green lanes are finally closed to vehicle traffic, the only ones on them will be those who ride them illegally now - those who use illegal bikes and could not give a damn anyway. In exactly the same way that illegal guns have snowballed in the UK, irrespective of gun control laws that are ever more encompassing.

I do agree though that there are about 30 million too many people in this country - now how did that happen!!
However, most of the time on most days the green lanes are empty, just as are the footpaths & bridleways.

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Dave,

You have a point and I don't really have much evidence to offer. It was more of a feeling, man! I went green laneing in Catalunya a couple of years ago and felt so bad about the experience, I thought "never again".

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How much does a man live, after all?
Does he live a thousand days, or one only?
For a week, or several centuries?
How long does a man spend dying?
What does it mean to say “forever”? - Pablo Neruda