Cut out Hurgada and Safaga, unless you dive and stay in resorts. (The diving is very good there)

A better one would be to go to Bahariya (Bawiti), then to Farafra and on to Luxor IMO

Don't worry about extra fuel for the railway route from Wadi Halfa to Abu Hamed, less than a day's driving but it's awesome to camp out there if it's not too hot.

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Hey everyone thanks for all the replies and to Mike sure we can do that.
If any one knows of good camp sites on this route can you post or e-mail me. Thanks
pjl@hotmail.co.uk

Wow had a look at your web site look good i cant wait any more.
I would like to have a chat with you guys on one or two things.
Cheers P

Hi Pete,
Your Toyota looks great in the images.
Some decent tyres would pull you through most of that mud, but not all !

Like you said, a nice set of BFG A/T would see you through to Cape Town with the least of tyre problems.
tripple wall sidewalls would be my reassurance on a long trip.
Holes in the tread can normally be easily fixed.
I have one of these "on the side of the road" tyre repair kits, where you pull out the object, ream the hole, and insert one of the many different rubber plugs.

As I have 17 inch, and (as many will know, they could be like hens teeth on the African continent,) I have decided to take a 6th wheel complete.

15 inch and 16 inch are far more common than the 17 inch.
Just a safe guard for me.

Why do I feel all tingly !

Graham

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Who's web site?

Can I look?

Ons4

A thought must be made to the price of a carnet from Paul at RAC.

For low cost vehicles, it's expensive, for vehicles £12k up, the cost is huge.
Did I hear a policy of some thing like £96k.

800% cost (value) of vehicle for transit Egypt

So if vehicle is valued at say £12k, then that £96k in security you need, just to prevent you from selling it, or leaving it in Egypt.

Please correct me if I have missed some thing


For the purposes of vehicle temporary importation into the region, South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho & Swaziland comprises the Southern Africa Customs Union (SACU) also known as the Southern Africa Common Customs Area (SACCA)

CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES - INTRODUCTION


A Carnet de Passages en Douanes (CPD) (hereafter referred to as a “carnet”) is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle duty-free into Southern Africa for up to 12 months. The carnet guarantees payment of duty & taxes if the vehicle is not re-exported.

Infringement of the temporary importation regulations will result in the lodging of a customs claim by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) to the Automobile Association of South Africa (AASA). The AASA act as guarantor to SARS for payment of duty & taxes if a vehicle fails to be re-exported from South Africa before expiry of the carnet. The claim is passed back to the carnet issuing motoring club (i.e. RAC) to resolve. A period of twelve months is then allowed from the claim date for RAC to submit evidence of export or permanent import into the country, after which the claim must be settled.

To minimise the risk of claims and ensure prompt return or cancellation of the security, we would ask that you read these notes carefully to understand your responsibility & liability as carnet holder.

RAC incurs a handling fee on all South African customs claims. Although this cost is not currently passed onto the carnet holder, the situation is under review.

In an effort to reduce temporary importation abuse, SARS do not grant extensions of validity of a carnet on expiry after 12 months. However, depending on the circumstances SARS may authorise a carnet replacement, known as a “substitution”.

Very Important – if the vehicle will be in Southern Africa on expiry of your Carnet, please see the Substitution paragraph on the reverse of this sheet.


The following general information on temporary importation into South Africa has been supplied by the AASA :

1. Only one vehicle per person may be temporarily imported into South Africa on a CPD.
2. CPDs may not be issued to applicants who intend to leave RSA for periods in excess of 30 days at a time whilst the vehicle remains in RSA under cover of a CPD.
3. CPDs can only be issued to foreign visitors or intending settlers who at the time of arrival in RSA have not yet been granted permanent residence & persons who arrive in RSA to take up employment for a period not exceeding 12 months.
4. Temporary importation is in principle limited to one year.
5. CPDs for vehicles which have entered South Africa may under no circumstances be extended, however, subject to approval from SARS, vehicles may under special circumstances be allowed to remain in RSA for a further year under a replacement CPD. (see Substitution procedure below)
6. A temporarily imported vehicle must not be sold, lent or otherwise disposed of in Southern Africa
7. The above conditions apply throughout the SACU/SACCA region.


USE OF A CARNET WITHIN SOUTHERN AFRICA


On arrival the carnet must be presented to customs for clearance (see Conditions of Use on inside back cover of the carnet). The carnet holder must ensure temporary importation regulations are adhered to, particularly when crossing into neighbouring non – SACU countries, e.g. Mozambique, Zambia & Zimbabwe. The carnet should be presented for stamping on every exit from Southern Africa.

On exit from the region, the carnet must be stamped at one of the following land frontiers, seaports or airports below.

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Customs clearance of carnets can only be validated at customs offices at the following exit points:

Land Borders :

COUNTRY
EXIT POINT
ANGOLA
Oshikango in Nambia
ZAMBIA
Wenela in Namibia
Kazungula Ferry in Botswana
ZIMBABWE
Ramokwebana in Botswana
BeitBridge in South Africa
MOZAMBIQUE

Komatipoort/Lebombo in South Africa
NOTE :
Border posts between South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia & Swaziland are not valid exit points for the discharge of carnets. For clearance by road, the vehicle must be exported from the SACU into Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe or Mozambique at one of the above border crossings ONLY.
Alternative crossing points are not acceptable for clearance of carnet claims by SARS.


Seaports :
Walvis Bay (Namibia), Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Durban, Richards Bay
Airports :
International Airports : Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town


SUBSTITUTION PROCEDURE

Approval to keep a temporarily imported vehicle in Southern Africa for more than 1 year must be obtained from SARS. Only one replacement or “Substitution” carnet will be granted. Foreign vehicles may never remain in Southern Africa for more than a total of two years on a carnet.

If you are in Southern Africa & wish to prolong your stay, in the first instance, contact AASA Customs Administration in Johannesburg, approximately 1 month before carnet expiry - tel. (11) 799 1009. AASA will supply a substitution form & advise of their fee. RAC Carnet dept. should also be informed at the same time. AASA will submit an application to SARS & seek confirmation from RAC as issuing club that a security is in place (bank guarantee, insurance indemnity, cash deposit). Once approved, the carnet holder must contact RAC to arrange carnet & courier fee. If security is arranged via RAC insurers, a further premium will be collected at this time. On receipt of fees, RAC will send the new carnet to AASA via DHL courier as both old & new carnets must be regularised with SARS for transfer of validity as part of the procedure. The new carnet will then be forwarded to the carnet holder & the old carnet returned to RAC for cancellation.

Substitutions cannot be effected internally by presenting documents to Customs in for example, Namibia.


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RAC Contact: Paul Gowen (pkgowen@rac.co.uk)

A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date depending on circumstances. Unless prior contact & arrangements made with RAC we reserve the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies if the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation regulations & procedures described in this leaflet.


Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN. Tel. 01454 208304







RAC/INF/CARNET/May 2007

Hi Mike
what bike you got ?
and how long you want to do it for?
I'm planning to do it starting from Egypt , i got Africa twin almost ready to go . just need money for the road and the cost of the trip . planning to do it to cape town ,then ship the bike back to Egypt ,or if i have enough money will keep riding the west coast of Africa

CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES
BACKGROUND
A Carnet de Passages en Douanes is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to
TEMPORARILY import a vehicle dutyfree
into countries which normally require a deposit against import
charges for such vehicles (generally countries outside Europe).
The Carnet is issued under the auspices of two international touring organisations the
AIT and the FIA. A
large number of automobile and touring clubs throughout the world are affiliated to one or both of these
organisations and issue the Carnet on their behalf. RAC Motoring Services is affiliated to the FIA. Each
Carnet is valid for a maximum of one year. A Carnet holder whose journey goes beyond one year may, in
exceptional circumstances, obtain a second Carnet or an extension, by contacting the local motoring
organisation and seeking further advice from RAC.
DESCRIPTION
The Carnet is a booklet made up of either 5,10 or 25 pages. A 5 page Carnet allows the holder to temporarily
import into 5 countries or on 5 different occasions. A 10 or 25 page Carnet covers the temporary importation
procedure up to 10 or 25 times. Each page is divided into three sections; the lower section is removed by
Customs on entry into a country; the middle section is removed on exit; the top, counterfoil
section, is
stamped once on entry and once on exit. A country revisited
during the return journey will require a new page
to be stamped. It is vital that the holder gets these endorsements as they prove that a vehicle has complied
with temporary import conditions and discharge responsibility for any possible future import charges.
Countries not covered by a particular Carnet are noted in a list of exclusions.
ISSUING PROCEDURE
On issuing a Carnet, a motoring organisation becomes directly responsible for the payment of customs duties
and taxes if the regulations concerning temporary import are infringed.
In order to take on this responsibility, RAC requires the applicant to meet a number of conditions: they must
be able to give a UK address and provide a copy of their passport and vehicle registration document/
certificate.
The applicant must also provide a security the
options are:
a
bank guarantee, signed by a UK clearing bank (building society accounts generally not acceptable);
an
insurance indemnity with the company R L Davison (50% of the premium will be refunded on return of
a correctly discharged Carnet) ;
a
refundable cash deposit (maximum amount accepted is £10,000)
SECURITY RATE TABLE @ OCTOBER 2006
The amount required by RAC depends on the rates of customs duty and taxes in the countries visited but
is always a multiple
of the value of the vehicle. E.g. £5,000 value x 150% = £7,500 (South Africa)
Egypt 800% Africa (excluding Egypt/Kenya) 150%
Iran, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal 500% Japan/New Zealand 150%
Kenya/Libya/Middle East & Far East
(e.g. Singapore/Malaysia)
200% Australia 150%
+ £5,000 Vehicle Import
Approval supplement (cars
only)
South America 300%
Contd.
Generally, RAC requires a minimum of ONE MONTH notice to allow for processing/issue of a Carnet.
Once RAC receives the completed Carnet application form, a quotation will be provided, without obligation.
Carnet fees are indicated on a separate sheet.
DISCHARGE OF THE CARNET
On completion of a journey the Carnetholder
must return the document by secure post to RAC in
Bristol. The Carnet will be checked to ensure it has been stamped correctly in and out of each country visited
to ensure no further claims can be made by foreign Customs. After verification, the security will be released as
appropriate. A carnet remains the property of RAC.
If for any reason the last page used does not bear an exit stamp, the last page of the Carnet (“Certificate of
Location”) must be completed and witnessed by an official authority (Customs, Police or Judiciary) either in the
UK or the country of final import. Failure to do this may delay the release of the security to the Carnet holder
who can still be held liable for customs duties.
...
If a vehicle is stolen or writtenoff
during the journey, a police report and Customs acknowledgement must be
obtained as soon as possible. RAC should be notified as soon as possible. Failure to do this will almost
certainly result in the Carnet holder being held liable for customs duties.
A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date, unless prior contact or
arrangements have been made regarding issue of a further carnet.
If the Carnet is not returned to RAC and the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation
regulations & procedures, RAC reserves the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies
to cover costs incurred.
CONDITIONS OF TEMPORARY IMPORT
The Carnet is a legal document allowing temporary importation only and, as such, penalties for its misuse are
severe. Conditions of issue, including the general regulations regarding temporary importation, are shown on
the inside back cover of the Carnet. The main conditions are:
l A temporarily imported vehicle cannot be sold, loaned, abandoned, hire, or otherwise disposed of
without the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local motoring organisation.
l The Carnet can only be extended with the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local
motoring organisation.
l The Carnetholder
is responsible for ensuring the Carnet is properly endorsed at each border crossing.
l The Carnet cannot be used in any country where the holder is normally resident, nor in any country
specifically excluded from that Carnet.
Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN.
Tel. 01454 208304, or email carnets@rac.co.uk
RAC/INF/CARNET/October 2006

Carnet de Passages en Douane : £150.00
(5, 10 or 25 page)

Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £45.00
(Unlimited liability)


Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £55.50
(Limited liability)

R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form
Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk,
EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00
£5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet.
+ Insurance Premium Tax @ 5%

RAC Refundable Deposit £350.00
(Applicable to R L Davison Indemnity ONLY)


International Driving Permit (IDP) £7.50
(application form can be downloaded from RAC website or available on request)

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R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form
Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk,
EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00
£5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet.
+ Insurance Premium Tax @ 5%


THIS LOOKS TO BE THE BEST WAY

Hi Peter,

Your Hilux is worth more than £5k
I would have thought yous is circa £15k
If you plan on Egypt, with the 800% requirement, your required insurance policy is now
£15000 x 800% = £120k
Premium of 10% = £12k
50% refund = £6k

OK, my cruiser isn't worth £15k, but probably around £13k.
I could not sleep easy if I had to find around £5k for a carnet.

Also, the guide for Libya.
And also the "robbing" ferry at Aswan to Wadi Halfa.

How about, a possible alternative route.
Head to Istanbul, 2000 miles.
Then Syria, Jordan, Saudi, cross at Jeddah to the ferry port, Sawakin, just south of Port Sudan, , then pick up the rest of your route?
Istanbul to Jeddah around 2500 miles.

Just an idea. ?

Graham

Hi Graham

Yes that 800% is a big problem; it is a very big pill to swallow. I think we need to get a big sponsor. I don’t like that way, I’ve got UK plates on my hilux.
Let me have a look at my map and see what i can do, will let you know.

Peter

Has any one got some cash for a Carnet de Passages.
My bank does not want to help me.lol

Hi there
Your trip sounds great! Good luck! Check out The Southern African Overland Forum for websites of people that have done similar trips, click on Trans Africa tours and trips on the left. We'll be going down via the West Coast end of 2009.
Madness, I know!

Cheers

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