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Originally Posted by roamingyak.org View Post
Definitely possible, but I was replying to the part where it said "asked for money at a lot of borders" which strongly implies that it would be a constant problem which it isn't. (Quite a change of tune by the way).

Us overlanders in Africa will always be asked for money in different ways as different officials fish, I was asked for money for a tv license in Nigeria for example, but with stamping carnets it seems well understood its for free - though some borders barely knew what to do with it coming down the west coast and sometimes people confuse an official charge as being for the carnet.

Some of how you get treated is also due to how you present yourself and your body language, along with who you are dealing with.

"Anyway I know after you spend probably more than 1500£ on a Cpd it's hard to acknowledge that in the end is easier without this useless paper."

I guess you mean that to be insulting as thats how it reads? A really lazy and untrue statement considering I laid out pluses and negatives above. You seem determined to be 'right' and better than others on this when its grey rather than black and white. And different with a 4x4 rather than a bike.
Really sorry if I offended you. It was not in my intention.
The thing is I clearly named this thread "Africa without a Carnet on a 2010 Tenere" but probably I should have mentioned very clear that this experience applies to bikes. I totally agree that other than bike it would be rather difficult and with a lot more hassle involved (but I'm confident to say not impossible). It's true that it's hard to generalise but some things are in black and white. Before starting this journey I did a lot of research and I was put off by the idea of CpD (basically impossible to get one in Romania, at least for me). Then I started finding some suggestions that people heard about others crossing without Cpd and I decided to take a gamble and follow my dream. 14 Months later I managed to do it and I put this info here only for other who will be in the same situation as me. I don't know if it's the RIGHT way but definitely is the way to follow your dream if you cannot get or afford a CpD.


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How long does a TIP last in each country?
Like roamingyak.org posted it depends but you can definitely extend one. For example in Nigeria I got 30 days (like the visa) but then I extended the visa in Calabar and at the customs office they told me to go at the border for the extension which I did and managed to get another 30 days.

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According to MrWhite's experience in Africa are there similar experiences crossing borders of Iran, India and Pakistan?
Is a TIP in these countries an option as we're not planning to get a CPD for the simply reason that we want to keep on travelling, so the guarantee funded to het ADAC will not be refunded as of one the conditions is that the Motorcycle must be physically controlled atbthe end of a trip by an Customs Office within the EU
This is so in contradictoin of free travelling.
From what I researched Iran is doable (but quite costy) and I never heard of people riding in Pakistan and India without one. For Iran coming from Turkey you have the deposit option (which Margus reported here a few years ago; he managed this in 2005 if I remember correctly) or the 'local" carnet which I guess is something like a scam, bribe, fishy stuff. For this option you'll deal with dubious people and it's possible in the end to get ripped off. The drawback of the deposit option is that you'll have to exit through the same border but as romnek72 posted earlier about egypt I think you can ask to get the refund at another border.

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