Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Trip Paperwork
Trip Paperwork Covers all documentation, carnets, customs and country requirements, how to deal with insurance etc.
Photo by Alessio Corradini, on the Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia, of two locals

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Alessio Corradini,
on the Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia,
of two locals



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21 Feb 2006
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: used to be Santa Cruz, Bolivia
Posts: 43
Buying/selling bike between foreigners on foreign soil

Hi, I've been reading up a bit on paperwork and change of ownership. Most I read however is about selling the bike to a local. Now what I want to do is buy a bike from an Australian who left it in my house about a year ago. What I do not want to do is nationalize the bike to avoid cost and hassle. To make things slightly more complicated, I'm Dutch and I live in Bolivia. So I've come up with two solutions, assuming that legal change of ownership in Australia is impossible with me being in Bolivia and the current owner of the bike being in Sweden:
1 forge Australian papers
2 forge Dutch papers

In case 1 the current owner should send me the papers and I'm sure that, as I have time to do it, I can make a pretty decent 'copy' with my data on it. In this case I'd like to know how likely it is that custom officials here in South America will observe the odd fact that I'm dutch and I own an australian licensed bike. Any ideas?

In case 2 I think it might be wise to also get some Dutch license plates. No idea how to get those.... And someone to scan me some Dutch ownership papers? I've been out of Holland for some time, no idea what they consist of these days.

In any case I won't have the temporary import paper for the bike unless the owner still has them for Bolivia and they don't mention any owner. But I guess that's easily sorted telling the guys at the exit custom post that I was never given such paper.

But in worst of cases, will any suspicion arise from the fact that the other stamps in my passport will show nothing of previous travel (wich is the only way to get the bike to Bolivia as it's landlocked), neither will I be able to show any shipping documents (Netherlands - Bolivia) for the bike to get it to Latin America. I have no idea how this works.
Any of you guys ever been asked for such documents in case of doubt about the origin of the bike or am I fearing trouble in vain? I guess the smaller the border crossing the better right?

It may even be illegal to own a foreign bike as a foreign resident in Bolivia, but I guess that's OK as long as I don't tell anybody..... ;-)

Gert


__________________
Gertmans
Looking for his buddies on the South American continent
KLR 650
www.gertmans.wordpress.com
www.picasaweb.com/gertmans
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21 Feb 2006
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
I've never been to Amerika, but as a German I have ridden an NZ registered bike with a very odd looking one-wheel trailer from India to Europe and all around there. Nobody ever asked any questions about this. But, I DO have a resident's visa in my passport, so I can prove I live there. The rego was expired, but nobody can see that...

Don't know how the Aussie left Bolivia without the bike, but if things at the borders are computerised you may run into a problem via the chassis number.

Dodgy, me thinks.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 22 Feb 2006
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London
Posts: 542
Transfering the Australian registration of the bike would be possible, although you will need to pay some stamp duty and it will get tricky if the registration has expired.

Registration is undertaken on a state basis and you can transfer ownership without actually venturing into the relevant state licensing office.

Providing the registration of the bike is still current, the seller should be able to indicate on the back of the registration document that the vehcile has been sold and who the purchaser is. You will then have to arrange for the documents to be sent to the relevant state authority and pay any stamp duty on the purchase. Indicate that the purchase price is low and hence the corresponding duty will also be low.

This will get very difficult if the bike's registration has expired and it is over three years old, as they would most likely require a roadworthiness inspection.

If this is the case, forget it and find another way!

Good luck
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

  • California: April 18-21
  • Virginia: April 25-28
  • Germany Summer: May 9-12
  • Québec: May 17-19
  • Bulgaria Mini: July 5-7
  • CanWest: July 11-14
  • Switzerland: August 15-18
  • Ecuador: August 23-25
  • Romania: August 30-Sept 1
  • Austria: September 12-15
  • France: September 20-22
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 31-Nov 3

2025 Confirmed Events:

  • Virginia: April 24-27 2025
  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
  • Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
  • CanWest: July 10-13 2025
  • Switzerland: Date TBC
  • Ecuador: Date TBC
  • Romania: Date TBC
  • Austria: Sept. 11-15
  • California: September 18-21
  • France: September 19-21 2025
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:18.