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cdp > 12 months ?
CDP always appear to have a 12 month life, I assume CARS has this limitation too, RAC refused to transfer across any security premium or deposit that would have been originally paid for the initial CDP.
Thus any deposit 'costs' become an annual cost of a CDP.
If a travel period is for 14 months for example then two completely independent CDPs will need to be bought with all costs duplicated even though the 2nd cdp is just a renewal.

That is how RAC were working.
AA in south africa will transfer any deposit paid across to a renewal CDP, they also refund 100% of the deposit.
CARS policy to this regard ?

I have never understood why a cdp has to be date limited ?
I also cannot see why any deposit should not just transfer across to the next CDP at no charge.
And for that matter why can't 100% of deposit / guarantee be refunded.

I wish these monopolistic companies would just be a little fairer, honest and transparent.

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The fact that they don't have a cost breakdown on their website smacks of profiteering to me. I've been backwards and forwards with them today. They will only give me an estimate via email. For an absolute price, I have to complete the whole form (which needs all the countries I will visit, not just carnet ones - and time to be spent there). They only have an uneditable PDF - so what, I have to print it and post it to them!? I'll be paying them enough money - terrible service to boot!
Does anyone know what law it comes under that it has to be issuing by a 'home' organisation?
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Does anyone know what law it comes under that it has to be issuing by a 'home' organisation?
The "law" is the rules as set by the AIT in Switzerland, who run the whole carnet program worldwide.

I believe the reason is so that the various organisations aren't inundated by people "shopping around" and effectively wasting their time, AND also trying to administer / collect / deal with another potential language/country regs etc. Just plain keeps it simple, and it makes sense to me. The original carnet issuers were all "your local automobile association" doing carnets as a "service" to their members.

The world has changed for UK and Canada/USA, with both moving to a commercial non-AA organisation. Who, guess what, want to make a profit. So, if you're seeing price rises, that's why. I know that in Canada, the CAA stopped doing them for two reasons - one, their Carnet expert retired, and two, they were losing money on carnets. In the UK the carnet expert got a promotion, and again, no one who knew what they were doing running carnets. So why bother training someone to run a losing proposition?

Hope that makes sense, even if it doesn't help any!
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Bit of an update:
I got Cars to issue a letter of no objection and am going with the only other organisation who would have me: TCS. It's working out to be half the price of the Cars offer. Happy girl!
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**** the carnet
.... all I can say: Forget the carnet and all this bureaucracy around it.

There is a travellers life without carnet - and if you ever should really need it, you can get it in the country before - like in Khartoum / Sudan for Egypt ...

Just be a little bit adventurous - like travellers ought to be ...


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.... all I can say: Forget the carnet and all this bureaucracy around it.

There is a travellers life without carnet - and if you ever should really need it, you can get it in the country before - like in Khartoum / Sudan for Egypt ...

Just be a little bit adventurous - like travellers ought to be ...


Norbert - actual in Goa / India
Do you how I can get a vehicle into Iran for more than 14 days and into Pakistan without a carnet?
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Carnet de Passage U.K.
I found it difficult to find out a link for obtaining a Carnet de Passage and was advised to go to ADAC in Germany. I filled in all the forms and sent them the 3303.50 euros only to be told that as my bike was U.K registered they could not give me a carnet.
ADAC sent me a link for carseurope.net which is where I have now obtained a Carnet at a cost of £872.
Hope this info is useful to someone.
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nepal to uk
Hi guys,

Im slightly confused about the carnets. If I buy a bike in Nepal and ride it back to the UK, can I keep it here in the UK, or am I expected to ship it back, or pay duty on it? Will it be roadworthy?

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You will certainly have to pay UK import duty on it - VAT + 5%? - if you want to register it after various UK roadworthy tests which I doubt it will comply with.
Certificate of Compliance from the manufacturer is one thing I needed last year to bring a bike in from NL - it was quite a faff but much easier being EU.
Can't see an Indian CoC meeting UK requirements.

Then, with it reg'd in the UK I assume you can discharge your carnet as the bike will have been permanently exported from Nepal and duty paid in new country (not that UK does CdPs afaik).
If your Nepalese CdP refund is not much, maybe just write it off.

Fun idea that has been done before regs got tighter, but all in all I think not worth the bother.

https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk
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I looked at this from Africa last year. 20% vat and 6% duty.

If you ship/fly it back it is worse; i was advised this is charged on the value of the bike PLUS shipping costs.


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Carnet for UK bikes
Cars pricing is exorbitant, as others have commented above. I walked away!

There are alternatives for UK registered bikes to get a carnet which are far cheaper, quicker, and more secure. I used this for my Iran trip last year when ADAC turned me down. Send me a PM if interested as I don't want to broadcast this unnecessarily.

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Carnet
Carnets are now issued in the UK by a company called CARS, who specialise in shipping classic cars. The charge rate is based on the value of your bike, so do as I did and get a HPi report which gives trade value and use this. One annoying factor is they will not post date a Carnet so I am trying to arrange to get it shipped as I do not need it until I get to Australia (via South America)
You can email them at: carnetservices@carseurope.net
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I am currently getting the carnets from CARS, as we are shipping our bikes to South Africa, and for shipping, Custom in SA demand the carnet. No way round it.


Price is based on value of the bikes and number of pages on the carnet. Expensive, I must admit. Cost per bike, base on bikes' value of £2000 each:

Fee: £250
Security & Premium: £663
Refund of premium on return: £250.


This is for an XT250 09 plate, and a CRF250. Not sure of age of the CRF, as it is my husband's bike, but bought for £2300, 18 months ago so about right.


The girl doing the carnets is away until the 16th of March... so I guess I will have to wait and see if they confirm the quote price.
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this seems not far off what RAC were charging. Not sure that the percentage is for South Africa (Iran, Pakistan and India was 500%)..

In 2012, my charges were:
500% of £1500 bike value =£7500
Insurance premium= £750 + 6% Insurance Premium tax £45 = £795
25 page CDP= £195
RAC refundable deposit: £350
Total: £1340
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There was a second Option with CARS:


Fee £250
Cash deposit of £3,500, including a non refundable fee of 500. So a refund of £3000 on return. Per bike. (based on value of £2000 to £2,500 per bike).


Total cost £750 per bike which is more expensive than the first option.


Of course this option may be more convenient for more expensive bikes. Not sure.
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