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Just working on this myself for my (our) trip London - Nordkapp - Cape Agulhas BigTrip19

The quote for my Africa Twin (I suggested £6500 value) is as below:

'Our quotation is based on your vehicle valuation of £6,500 for the following countries: Senegal, Ghana, Nigeria, Namibia, South Africa, Botswana.

OPTION 1 - Security/premium fee: £1,080.20 of which £250.00 is refundable once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

OPTION 2 - Cash deposit of £3,000 includes a non-refundable fee of £500. We will refund £2,500 once your carnet has been successfully discharged.'

What I discovered later in a telephone conversation is that the cash deposit refund - if you go that route - takes four years to make its way back to you.

This map is useful - but isn't necessarily definitive (eg, it suggests that carnets are recommended for certain countries which are not actually part of the carnet scheme - Cote d'Ivoire, eg.): https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

At Cars Europe (the only organisation in UK that provides 'leisure' Carnets - as opposed to carnets for business purposes), speak to Sukie - she's very on the ball.

+44 (0) 1284 850 950 - https://www.carseurope.net/carnet-de-passage-en-douanes
Zenbiker,

If you are only riding down the West Coast of Africa. Why do you want a Carnet?
From my personal experience, you don't need one for Senegal, Nigeria, Namibia, Botswana.

Read a bit more on the HUBB and you'll find that you don't need one for South Africa if you enter by land. I haven't been to Ghana. The info should be somewhere on the HUBB too.

Keep your money for your trip!

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Fair point above, carnet is not required for these countries including South Africa.
However if you ship in or out of South Africa you will need a Carnet.
For up to date info about carnet requirements, check out the overlanding Association:

https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

Very useful up to date info, country by country, of carnet requirement, overland or shipping.

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Fair point above, carnet is not required for these countries including South Africa.
However if you ship in or out of South Africa you will need a Carnet.
For up to date info about carnet requirements, check out the overlanding Association:

https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

Very useful up to date info, country by country, of carnet requirement, overland or shipping.

Cheers,

Maria, I have not personally gone through the process of shipping a motorcycle out of South Africa without a Carnet. Also I have not checked the latest exportations rules. But a quick search on Google showed that you can get into South Africa without a carnet by air or sea but you will need to leave a deposit for the bike. Also if you enter by land and have a TIP at the land border, you can export your bike out of the country.

Zenbiker, It might be worth it for you to research a bit more before deciding to pay for a carnet.

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Maria, I have not personally gone through the process of shipping a motorcycle out of South Africa without a Carnet. Also I have not checked the latest exportations rules. But a quick search on Google showed that you can get into South Africa without a carnet by air or sea but you will need to leave a deposit for the bike. Also if you enter by land and have a TIP at the land border, you can export your bike out of the country.

Zenbiker, It might be worth it for you to research a bit more before deciding to pay for a carnet.

Patrick
Interesting Pat. I shipped two bikes to Cape Town last May and out of South Africa in September and shipping companies at both end (UK and SA) were adamant that a Carnet was required for shipping to and out of South Africa.

Maybe depends on the shipping companies dealing with custom in South Africa. Best ask the shippers what they need to get the bikes through customs.
By land it is not required, which makes it very annoying. Very few countries now in Africa demand it if it is by land border ( Egypt, Soudan, maybe Ethiopia?) but by the west coast it seems easier. I met a polish guy in Namibia who had crossed by the west coast. I will ask him if he needed a Carnet on the way. As far as I know he is still down there....
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I met a polish guy in Namibia who had crossed by the west coast. I will ask him if he needed a Carnet on the way. As far as I know he is still down there....
I was asked for a carnet only once when I went down the west coast in 2017. It was when I entered in Togo. The official asked for one not because it is mandatory but because he was too lazy to fill a TIP. After I insisted a bit, he just asked a co-worker to replace him. The new guy filled the TIP.

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As for shipping a bike out of Africa, I would shop around and try to find a company that is willing to ship out with just a TIP. I would be happy to pay an extra fee for this to have the peace of mind that if for what ever reason something happens to your bike on the way, you don't lose both the bike and the deposit.


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