Since I need to know this for later in the year I did some googling check this ADAC Reise & Freizeit - Carnet de Passages - Englisch

Paul Gowen does not work in the carnet department any more.

It is common for a customs guarantee not to be limited in amount.

The RACs standard guarantee wording already includes a counter indemnity (ie it says whatever the bank has to stump up to the RAC - and yes this can be more than the theoretical limit - you then need to stump up to the bank) which is why it shouldn't really give a bank a problem provided they have sufficient cover from you. This is the sort of guarantee they give day in day out in a commercial context.

A few years ago ADAC stopped issuing carnets for non-German registered vehicles (it was always cheaper than the RAC and others). Maybe that has now reverted back. It would certainly be useful if that were the case.

I exchanged e mails with ADAC last week and they said they could not issue a Carnet to a UK registered vehicle. The insurance option is a real rip off as in many cases it will be the only option. We do not need a Carnet for a while but it would be good to get them to accept the bank guarantee option again.

So if Paul is out, who to contact?

Does anyone have any info ideas on getting a Carnet for a UK registered bike, which is in my name, but I am an American, who is purchasing the bike in Thailand.

Thanks

The main problem for me is the lack of official confirmation whether each country will accept a temporary import permit for 4x4s.
The RAC have a £10,000 cap on the bond they will accept, and as most 4x4s, and the newer larger bikes, may be of that value to begin with, this writes off the ability to deposit the necessary 800% required for Egypt, even if funds were available.

If a border will easily issue a TIP for 4x4, perhaps the deciding factor may be the difference in cost between TIP fee and cost of carnet getting stamped plus cost of insurance. If you are routing through Egypt the cost will be fairly high for the insurance, however as there does not seem to be a check for actual vehicle value this may allow a slight reduction in cost? As long as the price is realistic they should accept a very modest valuation...

The (off topic) discussion of banks and bankers has been moved to http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-bankers-68480

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There have been some various threads suggesting that Africa is now possible with Temp Imports, including Egypt.

See here and here.

That just leaves the Middle East, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Japan, New Zealand and that other big over regulated place next to New Zealand.

We are currently on our second Carnet, which has been extended once secured with with a Bank Guarantee, which we now have to renew,

Before Christmas the RAC confirmed that we could renew under the current BG, however have now changed their minds after ignoring our attempts to contact them for two months.

We are trying to hold them to information they previously confirmed but this does raise an issue for others who are currently travelling under one and may need to renew soon.

The RAC have not provided any reasons for not allowing us to renew under the BG, all they have said is that they do not accept them anymore. They also have not been able to confirm whether they would be able to release the current BG even if the indemnity was paid for, which may cause further issues.

Does anyone know officially when and why they stopped accepting Carnets?

The alternative is to use the ADAC, we have requested permission in writing from the RAC if they refuse to renew under the BG. Using the ADAC, the total security is significantly less whether provided as a BG or cash deposit.

It is interesting that the ADAC also has a connection to RL Davison, but the costs in the UK are so much higher.

If the ADAC cannot be used I can see that many may not be able to afford overland trips where a Carnet is required, especially more expensive 4x4's than ours.

Will keep you updated as to our progress, if you do have a Carnet issued under BG and are looking to renew you should contact the RAC ASAP.

If anyone else has been through the same with the RAC recently, it would be great to know how you got on,

Many thanks

Martin

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Thanks everyone for your input on this.

In terms of the insurance indemnity, RL Davison no longer deal with the RAC on this. Miller Insurance are the new brokers for the RAC. Contact is Scott Sinfield. See Home - Miller Insurance Services LLP.

I haven't come across any official reasons for the bank guarantee withdrawal, except to say that I've heard that recently 70% of bank guarantees have not paid out! This is a matter of some embarrassment to the RAC so they are probably trying to keep it quiet.

interesting. 70% of bank guarantees not paying out...

how many overland vehicles do not make it 'home' or as a final import into final country?

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Hi everyone ,
We are now facing the same problems as Mark. How are you getting on by the way Mark?
RAC to extend our carnet have just doubled its original Carnet value, will not allow us to use our Bank Guarantee and will not give any overlap in time. They want the Carnet to end one day and start the next. They suggest we can explain that at the border in Africa!!
Maddness.
Still working on it. What does everyone think about using TIPs any help please
We are in South Africa at the moment and need the extension/ new carnet in 4 weeks time

Well Thank you all for the input.
We are currently in Tanzania we have contacted the RAC well in advance saying that we need to extend/renew our carnet. If we were to continue with our planned trip We would not be able to enter Egypt on the current document.
Their response has apparently has been one of blind beauracracy. They say 1. we must renew 2. We may not use any of the cash deposit that is on the original carnet I find this absurd as there is only one risk that is being guranteed and that is our vehicle.
3. In making a new application we have told them how difficult it is to download forms and other documents while on the move in Africa Their response was that as any documents would require a personal signature it wouldnt matter anyhow!
What this means to us is that we should now drop our further plans and drive to Egypt well in advance of our expiry date. Otherwise we could end up in real difficulty and possiblly not be able to discharge the Carnet.

Its a funny old world isnt it?
I am now wondering if in fact this is about the RAC not wanting to issue Carnets any more ??? I also wonder if those very helpful people that we dealt with initially like jessica have moved on because they are no longer allowed to be helpful?

These are just questions that I feel should be out there!
The RAC seems unmoved about our predicament

It has been made quite clear that there is no discussion to be had on this matter.
I would love to hear the official response from the RAC

im a bit confused about this pass,
i know you will need it for oz and newzeland,us, as these are very keen on the paperwork, but as i have been looking in to this over the months, i have been toled , and read many time, some people have enterd countries with no pass, and had no problems.
in my view,if the rac,and banks try to push prices up, by use of say ,arguments based on the wording! ! wont this surly force more people to just take the risk ,and then make there losses higher ?
in the UK, companies alway do things arse about face !! nothing less than short sighted ness !!
niffed jim !

Carnets are now issued in the UK by a company called CARS, who specialise in shipping classic cars. The charge rate is based on the value of your bike, so do as I did and get a HPi report which gives trade value and use this. One annoying factor is they will not post date a Carnet so I am trying to arrange to get it shipped as I do not need it until I get to Australia (via South America)
You can email them at: carnetservices@carseurope.net

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