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That is the magic word isn't it. It is a convention they all agreed upon. There is no requirement in law for this convention, it is a contractual agreement between FIA and the various automobile organizations. You can bet that it wasn't FIA that requested that particular clause to be added, but rather the local agencies trying to protect their respective monopolies.
In this case the only ones that have any benefit from enforcing the particular rule are the RAC, fearing to lose customers to ADAC.
If RAC would allow any request from a customer preferring the bank guarantee option to make use of ADAC's services as an "exceptional circumstance", no-one, not FIA, not ADAC nor the customer would have any objections to that. RAC has the power to do this, they prefer not to and pass the ball to FIA in stead of improving their service to their customers or allowing customers to go elsewhere.
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Here's my Dear John letter:

Thank you for your emails regarding the RAC Carnet Scheme, I’m sorry for the delay in my response. I have now looked into the queries you have raised and would like to confirm the following



You are correct that in 2013 as part of an overall review of the Carnet scheme we removed the option to secure carnets via cash deposit and bank guarantees. This was for commercial reasons as the time taken in processing carnets and claims that were secured by this method and the relatively small numbers of individuals who chose to take up those options made these options financially unviable for us.



The Carnet scheme is operated under an international Customs Convention and operated by the FIA. In participating in the Carnet scheme, RAC is bound by the terms of that convention and the rules of the FIA. All clubs have recently been reminded by the FIA that the letters of non-objection should only be issued in exceptional circumstances and we therefore have no option to comply with this. I have checked with the team and there have are no other circumstances, apart from international rally, when we would consider issuing a letter on non-objection.



In operating the Carnet scheme we are essentially performing a public function of general economic interest and are therefore not carrying out a commercial activity that would fall under EU competition rules – issuing clubs do not compete against each other in an economic market for the issuing of carnets in the same way that individual EU Member State government entities do not compete against each other for the issuing of passports to their citizens. You mention RAC holding a monopoly on carnets. We are the only organisation that issues carnets in the UK, however, it is up to the FIA to appoint other issuing authorities and prior to their withdrawal from the scheme the AA were also providers of Carnets.



I hope this answers your questions but please get in touch if we can help further.


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Louise Campbell
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I will need a CdP for Iran, Pak & India in May & June, so it looks like I'll be paying the full amount

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As a side note I've asked the AA if they have any plans to rejoin the CdP programe. They still issue Internional Driving Permits. Not holding my breath, but wanted to make them aware of the discontent with RAC.
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I would be surprised if the ADAC wanted our business. They have a strong German focus and mildly discourage non-German membership. Also they can only fulfill their obligations to their core German members by having arrangements with local motoring organisations (the AA in the UK). So it is not a competitive business.
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If ADAC breakdowns didn't want non-german business, they wouldn't accept it.
I've been with ADAC for past 4-5 years never had any problem with them accepting my money.

In terms of carnets they are happy to accept non-german business.
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If ADAC breakdowns didn't want non-german business, they wouldn't accept it.
I've been with ADAC for past 4-5 years never had any problem with them accepting my money.

In terms of carnets they are happy to accept non-German business.
I use ADAC, I am very happy with them. They accept my membership, but I'm not sure if they "want" it. The whole way they are run and how they communicate is "run by Germans for Germans" For example the renewal paperwork is in German language only with bank instructions that only work if you have a German bank account. (So we phone up and use a credit card)
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Looks like we may get response from the FIA soon...

"Dear Mr McGown

Thank you for your correspondence and petition in relation to CPD issues,

I can confirm that this has been received in the office of the FIA President. This matter has been referred to the relevant staff within the FIA Administration for advice and the preparation of a response, as a matter of priority.

I expect that a substantive reply will be available in the very near future. "
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I use ADAC, I am very happy with them. They accept my membership, but I'm not sure if they "want" it. The whole way they are run and how they communicate is "run by Germans for Germans" For example the renewal paperwork is in German language only with bank instructions that only work if you have a German bank account. (So we phone up and use a credit card)
Or do what i did and marry a German...

If this Carnet stuff does not get sorted by August i may have to get her to call her sister in Germany...put a set of LHD lights in the truck....get a German Reg and then speak to the ADAC.
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They have a strong German focus and mildly discourage non-German membership
As it's the "Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil Club" this isn't the biggest surprise.

They offer breakdown cover for the whole of Europe at no extra cost, as opposed to just the UK by the likes of the AA/RAC. Why would any German ever want to sign up with the parochial Inselaffen AA/RAC?

They don't discourage non-German membership at all: The English language membership page is at The membership in ADAC
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Had a really good call with the FIA today, re carnets.

The conversation was positive and looking at ways to resolve the situation in the UK in regards to not having access to the same financing options and Carnet issuers as those in mainland Europe.

Hoping to have some more news in a week two, but they are listening and do understand our position!
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Had a really good call with the FIA today, re carnets.

The conversation was positive and looking at ways to resolve the situation in the UK in regards to not having access to the same financing options and Carnet issuers as those in mainland Europe.

Hoping to have some more news in a week two, but they are listening and do understand our position!
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Had a really good call with the FIA today, re carnets.

The conversation was positive and looking at ways to resolve the situation in the UK in regards to not having access to the same financing options and Carnet issuers as those in mainland Europe.

Hoping to have some more news in a week two, but they are listening and do understand our position!
Good to hear that, as soon as you put the pressure, petition etc, voila something can happen . I'm glad I could help with signing the pet, keep us informed,

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As it's the "Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil Club" this isn't the biggest surprise.

They offer breakdown cover for the whole of Europe at no extra cost, as opposed to just the UK by the likes of the AA/RAC. Why would any German ever want to sign up with the parochial Inselaffen AA/RAC?

They don't discourage non-German membership at all: The English language membership page is at The membership in ADAC

From the linked page -

"English translations are provided for your convenience only. Please understand that contract documents, form, terms & conditions and any other notices and information will generally be provided in German.

Using the links below to acquire ADAC membership requires that your place of residence is in Germany."
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"English translations are provided for your convenience only. Please understand that contract documents, form, terms & conditions and any other notices and information will generally be provided in German.

Using the links below to acquire ADAC membership requires that your place of residence is in Germany."
That's why non-german residents just email them instead of trying to use the "links below"

Also the correspondence being in German isn't to discourage English speaking people any more than a till receipt from Boots is. It's hardly there fault that many native brits are ignorant when it comes to speaking another language.
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From the linked page -

"English translations are provided for your convenience only. Please understand that contract documents, form, terms & conditions and any other notices and information will generally be provided in German.

Using the links below to acquire ADAC membership requires that your place of residence is in Germany."
I've been a member for a few years now. Let it lapse and then renew again when we start a trip there. Just call into an ADAC shop and pay my money.
True that they do like to have a German postal address to send the mail to, but they are well aware that we are Australians driving a German registered vehicle.

Used them twice - Morocco for a 150km truck ride and once in Germany. Well ahead at this stage.
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