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carnet de passage without bank-deposit!!
Hello,

it seems that some european countries (for a foreign registered vehicle) may be issueing a carnet de passage without the need for any bank-deposit!!
Has anyone experience with that?

Karel
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Hi Karel!

I heard about a year ago that Brits were getting ADAC (German) carnets for their UK registered cars for a fraction of the cost of the UK. Never followed it up, however might be a good place to start.

See you later!

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Another possibility is double indemnity - costs more but the insurance company takes on the responsibility of paying whoever is issuing the carnet if its claimed on and also not coming after you looking for the money - this is based on you not selling the vehicle but genuinely losing it / having it stolen / writen off / etc. With this you pay a greater premium but you don't have to deposit money.
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Hi Toby!

If you don't mind paying more for the carnet anyway (still check out ADAC), then your best bet is a single indemnity. Half the price of the double and still no deposit required.

The downside is that if the carnet is called on, they will come after you at that stage for the full amount.

However, the AA have only had to call in 2 carnets in the last 3 years (because the vehicles had been sold in South Africa). The RAC called in even less. You only have a problem if your vehicle is:

not exported again from last country entered
stolen
destroyed in accident

But, paperwork such as a police report confirming theft or destruction is sufficient to close the carnet. Essentially, if you don't sell the car (which you are not supposed to do) the chances of you having to pay the deposit are tiny.

Karel, there is always the option of a fake carnet! Given your profession, could be an interesting one!!??

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Hidi,


> Karel, there is always the option of a fake carnet! Given your profession, could be an interesting one!!?? <

Yes indeed Sam. I contacted Mr Carnet earlier on this forum but did not get any answer yet.

I read that you probably met Mr Carnet : did you and what is the verdict concerning the "fake" carnets?

Anyway : what is fake and what's not in Africa???? I think a lot of the african people have "fake" papers anyway : a part because they simply don't know they are fake and the other part because they can't live without them.

The question is : who suffers from a "fake" carnet being used? I don't think that Africa benefits from the money that's involved in the whole carnet-thing!!

That is of course if you don't sell the car.

Karel.
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Originally posted by karellevrau:
Hello,

it seems that some european countries (for a foreign registered vehicle) may be issueing a carnet de passage without the need for any bank-deposit!!
Has anyone experience with that?

Karel
It is true that you could get your carnet in Germany but they now seem to be stopping this for non residents so it's back to the UK and big expense.

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On the subject of carnets,the AA in the UK have stopped supplying them now,so the options are getting smaller

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Hello,

got a mail back from Andy, (hungarian carnets, was earlier on the forum). Seems promising. Anyone actual experience with these carnets, as they are probably British and will be used by belgians driving an belgium-registered car?

Thanks,

Karel
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Hello Karelle,

I am sending this message from Sudan and have been travelling on one of Andy's carnets for teh last 3 months, without any hassles whatsoever. I have entered and left the following countries using it, no problems, full acceptance of the carnet.

Guinea
Ghana
Togo
Benin
Nigeria
Tschad
Sudan

There were some other countries in between that looked at it but then issued me with their local version. I am very happy to have this carnet as I am absolutely not bothered about vehicle paperwork and have actually left Tchad without the stamp in it, as the customs officers were too lazy and obnoxious to sort me out, so I just left. Can only recommend it to anyone. I am on a Mali registered motorbike, in case that matters.

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Thanks Hed,

excellent news.

by the way : how and where did you get your visa for SUDAN, TCHAD?

See you,

Karel
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Hi there Karelle,

Both were issued in Abuja/Nigeria. no hassles at all, I arrived early and had the Sudan one in 3 hours, teh Tchad one took another 2 hours. 50 USD each, and by lunchtime of the same day I was out of there. Forget about Ndjamena for the Sudanese one, it takes toolong.

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Hi,
if this is any help on the subject of getting a UK carnet, I have been told that now the AA has stopped issuing them, the RAC have now taken over the contract.

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Hed

If you are travelling on a Malian registered bike then supposedly dont need a carnet for anywhere in Africa. I still anm not sure if this is true or not but I have been to all the countries you mentioned except Sudan in my Malian reg lancruiser. Try getting in without the carnet using only the Malian carte gris and the Malian customs laisser. I would be interested to see how far you get. passer
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"Both were issued in Abuja/Nigeria. no hassles at all, I arrived early and had the Sudan one in 3 hours, teh Tchad one took another 2 hours. 50 USD each, and by lunchtime of the same day I was out of there. Forget about Ndjamena for the Sudanese one, it takes toolong."

Thx again Hed,

very reassuring news. Will help a lot of people travelling to Sudan.

Did you experience any kind of problems entering Nigeria and driving thru? No hassle? Where did you get the Nigerian visa?

Can you situate the ambassey from Sudan and Tchad in Abuja (address or GPS co's)?

Happy travelling in Africa

Karel

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That is very encouraging news, what you don't mention Hed is your nationality; that can influence visa decisions quite strongly...
All this talk elsewhere about GPS coords for nice spots in the desert takes away some of the pleasure of discovering it your self; Imho a GPS is much more interesting for getting to embassies and ATMs in the middle of unknown cities where a guide's only interest is getting you into his cousin's carpet shop
I propose that someone host a database of ATM and Embassy coords (including the datum) to which those inclined can contribute.
One day I'll get a travelogue site up and running...
Happy trails
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