Hi,

So far 2 months into my 3 month trip around India on an Enfield and the idea with parting with my bike is killing me, as well as the idea its pretty much impossible to drive it out of India! but i still want to find a way...

Anyone tried anything recently, bribed their way through, or maybe people on employment visas who can get a residency permits to buy the bike in their name? or has their been any change in the law...or even some good old loop hole been found!

My other idea was to find some one with a residency permit who was keen to do the trip. They could buy the bikes (There's 2 of us) in their name and when it came to borders they would cross it with the bikes as theirs. Is it possible for one person to take 3 bikes across in their name?

Just thought it would be good to hear the latest on this situation as most of the info on here seems to be from a while back.

(shipping the bike home isnt really option, its got to be ridden home! Also I know its possible to do this from Nepal, but would rather keep the bike i am on)

Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this!

Arch

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no problems i have done this in a jeep and one a enfield can take some time but a few rupies att the right place alwhays helps just geat the bill off sale oficial stamp buy any local official like the local police orr town mayer the indians loves pappear but it is possibol no whories its a great ride i dident nead a carne the passage so dont whaist time and money to geat one

When I rode my Enfield from Nepal to India I did it at night and there wasn't any questions at all. I parked on the India side of the border and walked back to get my visa stamped from Nepal.

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How did you cross Pakistan and Iran without a carnet?

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bad babba - So what paper work did you have for the whole trip? Would you be able to give us a bit more info on how you crossed these borders...and did you do this recently?

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Just got into Hampi after a 375km ride today which was spent mostly thinking about riding my enfield around my home roads! So my persistence continues -

What if a indian friend took the bike over under his name with me just crossing the border normally. Then i take the bike off him and drive towards Iran? I assume its not possible to enter Iran with a bike not in my name...but what if i faked the registration papers to be under my name (tho this would still leave me with out a carnet)

What would the pakistan customs say if tried to leave with out the correct paperwork...would they be happy to pass the problem onto iran?

I think its possible to get a tempory import license from Lahore for pakistan...but this would involve going into pakistan without the bikes, then back into india to bring the bikes across. This would mean a carnet would not be needed for pakistan. does anyone know anything more about this, or even tried this?


Any more thoughts would be great!

Thanks

Arch

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I don't believe Indians are allowed to take vehicles across the border, but I could be wrong here.

Get an official paper in English in which your friend authorises you to drive his vehicle. Probably best to get this notarised, but I don't know what the Iranians or Turks would expect.

The question is: how much risk are you willing to take to have your bike confiscated at a border, knowing that you will never get it back?

To me, the easier and safer option would be to sell the bike and buy another in Nepal, from where you know you can ride it with a carnet to wherever you please.

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the pakistani bordear control dont care abuot carne the dont ask same gos four iran i have traveld this rote 3 times first time more then 10 years ago then about 7 years ago and the last time in 2010 in a indian registerd mahaindra jeap the only hassel yuo whil geat is to leave india but that is no probleam in the end the can ask four a carne but yuo teal them i am not goin in to india but i am leving india so i dont nead one and that whorks geat a lawyer in india to vearify that yuo are the owner off the motear cykel then no problem it dosent coast much in parts off pakistan yuo whil same time geat a armd car whid a machine gun one the roaf to loke aftear yuo and some time a i military man whid a machine gun kontroling the hotel yuo stay at but no problem its kind off fune in the end iran is a really nice place and safe pakistan can some time feals a litel strange whid all the army and guns but i have bean thear 3 times and i am still alive so dont whorry i no a smal town in india which make a perfect stopp before leaving india one the enfield thge towns name is puchkar near ajmear and ask for mukesh he have a smal mc garage next to the buss staition and is a good and onest mekanik a lot off travlears have made buisnis whid him ovear the years he nows what yuo whil nead four the jurny back to europa i dont now iff yuo have the caryone lugeage raks but hea can make them cheap and good and it is whorth it thear are veary praktical one a long jurney good loock

Yeah, I agree Nepal would be a much easier and a more practical option...but i have the bike already and it sort of completes the trip i am on now. Going to nepal would end up being a totally new trip really and cant justify that as much!

Confiscation wise...just not going to think of that part. Just want to get as much info as possible on the paperwork side of the route, and from this will judge what our chances are...but willing to risk it, in the end it will still be a great adventure and a better send of to my bike than having to sell it in delhi!

Interesting about Indians not able to take bikes across, will have look into that now.

Thanks

Otherwise anyone else got any knowledge on this are, please post!

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forgeat to teal yuo about a comon problem whid enfield the cloutch plates bring 2 xstra sets off cloutch plates yuo whil probearly nead to chance them atleast one time its easy and dont take long about 30 minits soake them in oil before yuo put them in enjoy the trip its a great roade thear is a place in pakistan iff any problem whid the bike this is the place to fix it the towns name is QUETA LOTS OFF GODE MEKANIKS and the last stop before the next big town in iran esfahan dam nice town enjoy

I would try to do more research on entering Pakistan from India, on a bike bought from India, and without a carnet. At least the general opinion seems to be, that this is either very hard, or not possible (even if somebody sometimes did it, maybe it was just his/her lucky day...)

There was a group from my country, who flew to Delhi or Chennai (in 1998), and everyone bought new Enfields, and they rode them to Europe. But this was not all plain sailing: mechanical problems aside, they were turned back from the Wagah border, and had to return to Delhi, and then apply for the carnets, which I believe were sent to them from Finland (don´t ask me, how they even got carnets for the bikes they bought in India!)...only after this, a delay of several weeks total, they were able to enter Pakistan.

Also worth a notice here is the fact, that at least this group´s bikes ended up as ´souvenirs´ – they never got them registered here. Something with the bikes not matching the EU regulations. But all this was back in 1998, so many things might have changed by now. And may be the authorities in other EU countries are not as strict as ours. But getting an ´Indian-spec´ bike registered in the EU could still be problematic (I don´t know what spec the OP´s bike is, though).

Look man, even if you had the CDP ( which you definately need ), you would still need to have your visas for both PAK and Iran before you could leave India. Niether of these are available outside of your home country, so unless you allready have them both, you aren't going anywhere !

Yeah, heading back to UK for a few months on wednesday so plan to do that all then.

Otherwise latest plan is to get some indian friends to buy the bikes in their names and take them over the border. Then we take them back with fake paperwork. Then at the moment, with no CDP, seems we will have to wing the Iran border...see what happens!

Still rough plans! Any more thoughts appreciated!

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Look man, it's your choice, I'm in Katmandu at the moment just bought myself a Nepali bullet so that I can do it all legally. I've been overland before and believe me they do check your CDP and the engine/chassis no of the vehicle. Iran is particularly thorough and on the Turkey Iran border I have met people who have been turned back for not having CDP.When I drove back the last time they definately checked us at the Waggha border post, there is virtually nothing going through by road and the CDP is the first thing they ask for. Given the current state of Indo/Pak relations I'm not even sure if they allow any cross border traffic between the two countries at the moment. I've been in Pak a few times ( last time 2 years ago) and I have never seen an Indian vehicle of any description. You have been riding around India for a few mths, how many Pak reg plates did you see ? If you really are intent to try this, then don't tell them when you apply for your visas or you won't get them, crossing the Iran/Pak border requires a military escort on both sides, this is a big hassle for both countries which they don't like, if you say you're going overland your visa will be refused. Tell them you fly into Lahore and then crossing over into India. Just think about the terrorist attacks in both countries over the last couple of years and the tightening of visa regulations, do you honestly believe that you can just throw a few rupees at the border police and drive through unhindered and unchecked ?

i did not nead a cdp last year to leave india in a indian mahindra jeep and no probleam at the bordear pakistan dont give a shit about the cdp and the same goes four iran shore a bomb hear and thear maybea it is safear att the kitchen tabeal but no fune JUST DO IT

mahindra jeep ? they probably thought you had army connections
seriously, Don't give border guards a hard time by offering bribes when not asked for, he might take it out on the next rider.