Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Trip Paperwork
Selling Dutch 4X4 in South Africa under carnet to fellow Dutchmen Selling Dutch 4X4 in South Africa under carnet to fellow Dutchmen
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts
Trip Paperwork Covers all documentation, carnets, customs and country requirements, how to deal with insurance etc.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7
Selling Dutch 4X4 in South Africa under carnet to fellow Dutchmen
Hello,
this is my first post on the forum, a very good source of knowledge already!
I have looked for answers on my specific question and I am still not sure:

I am planning to drive to South Africa in my Landrover Discovery this November which is registered in the Netherlands, store it at someone's driveway there, fly home, sell it to a fellow Dutchmen who will fly to South Africa an drive the car home.
This process will be completed within one year.

The question I have is following: I imagine that on my carnet the car will never have been stamped out of South Africa, the fellow dutchmen will have a new carnet on which the vehicle will never have been stamped in when he is leaving South Africa!

Is it possible in a situation like this to transfer the carnet on another persons name? That would make sense. The carnet for dutchemn are issued by ADAC, the german association.

If anyone has experience with this situation, please give me some tips!!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7
reply ADAC :
this is the reply [I] got from the German Motoring club ADAC:

unfortunately we have to inform you, that you are not allowed to sell the vehicle, when using a Carnet de Passages. You can read this in our brochure with information about use and application for a Carnet de Passages.

So you should drive the car home to the Netherlands by yourself or ship the vehicle back to Europe.

Kind regards


What do you think? It doesnt really make sense.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13 Sep 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 1,731
The carnet is meant to prevent you from keeping the vehicle in the carnet country/countries any longer than will be permitted. So if you sell it in a carnet country (and it was imported on carnet), then you have broken the agreement you have with the carnet issuing body.

But I remember reading something about having another alternative temp import method/permit to South Africa, but don´t know much about it myself... maybe others can shed more light into that. (There was also some thread about it here not so long ago).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 13 Sep 2011
AliBaba's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,379
If you are not able to get into South Africa without using a carnet you can go back to Zambia where no carnet is required.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7
Alibaba, does that mean I should store the car in Zambia? I dont have a reliable adressen there, south africa would be much more convenient!

Quite a hassle while doing something which is obviously not shady in any way. Someone has an alternative?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 13 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7
Pecha72, do you mean this threadon the TIP, temporary import permit:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...h-africa-45953

That does seem like a possibility, I wouldnt actually use a carnet for SA. Question remains: Will the new buyer be able to leave SA without problems?

Thanks,
Reply With Quote
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Selling UK/EU bike in South Africa despite carnet? wicjo Trip Paperwork 9 5 Aug 2007 21:57
Selling bike in South Africa oerg sub-Saharan Africa 0 31 Oct 2005 23:43
Importing and Selling a TLC in South Africa Nigel and Gina sub-Saharan Africa 4 27 Oct 2004 09:44
selling a bike with a carnet in Africa... whats the risk jim Trip Paperwork 2 17 Dec 2003 22:04
Selling a bike )with a carnet) in Africa... jim Trip Paperwork 1 5 Nov 2003 01:59

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

Your ad could be here, on EVERY page of the HUBB, or the whole website, or as many as you like!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 16:53.

Contact Us - Horizons Unlimited Motorcycle Travellers Website - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top