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Jenny - is the MoT still current on Dino, by any remote chance? If it is, there is a possible solution.

BruceP - I stand by my advice. Having the MoT prebooked before you get to the UK avoids any issues with arriving at the airport/ferry port and then phoning up your MoT place only to get told "oh, sorry - we're fully booked up today - we can fit you in next week?"

Not sure what the letter of the law says on this, but I would imagine it's better to be able to say to PC Plod, if you are stopped, that the pre-booked MoT you are on your way to is for that day and not x days in the future.
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Been thinking about this some more. I asked about whether you still had the MOT because, if by any chance the MOT was still current from when you left the UK (which was less than a year ago) then you could declare the car reimported and then use the still-current MoT to get road tax/insurance on it from abroad without having to bring it back to the UK to get it re-MOT'd, which is obviously a huge huge sticking point.

But - if the MoT is expired - the definition of 'registration' varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, doesn't it? In UK-speak, a UK-registered car is still legally UK-registered even if it is SORN'd, with no MOT or road tax, unless/until it is scrapped or exported. Contrast this with a place like Australia or Germany, where rego is something you have to pay every 6 months and the vehicle loses its registration if it is not renewed.

I am wondering whether you might be able to think about relying on the UK definition of 'legally registered in its country of origin' ie declare the car reimported to the UK and then immediately SORN it, before taking out NSW insurance.
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Mark - nice idea but our MOT has expired so no joy there.

One of the garages here suggested that I speak to a "friendly" garage in the UK who would issue a new MOT... oh how nice that would be!!!
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Hi,
We have had to break our trip and return to the UK for various reasons, not least sorting out the DVLA fine for not taxing/sorning or exporting my bike.
Have been on the phone to them and got the standard reply "it should be permanetly exported". I was going to fight this as far as possible but I think I will more than likely end up mucho out of pocket at the end of it. So, my only option it seems is to export, does anyone know what problems I can expect to encounter regarding entering other countries with a homeless bike? US and Canada especially.
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Ollie - no, no - read the second 2 paras of my post again.

If you have no MOT, I am suggesting you may be able to satisfy the NSW rules that state the vehicle should be 'legally registered in its country of origin' by relying on the UK definition of 'legally registered' ie revive your DVLA registration by declaring the car reimported to the UK and then immediately SORN it, before taking out NSW insurance.
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She was a nice lady and listened to my argument, and said she would double check and ring back. She did and she says that they are 100% sure that this is the way to do it. When we return to the country we just have to contact them to re-inport it.

Not sure if we will pay a price at a later date....
Unfortunately there was plenty of wise advice from TonyP, JMO (& Piglet) as well as others that said the best course of action would be to say nothing to the DVLA and just SORN it.

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That is utter nonsense! You are not 'permanently exporting' the vehicle, just using it away from this country for a while... filling in that paperwork is as bad (actually worse) than not filling it in at all?!

Personally I agree with what TonyP suggested in the first page - don't ask the DVLA anything! It's only going to cause you more hassle than you need...

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Almost 1 year on we're now at the other end of this issue.

BUT this only applies if your vehicle is legally registered in its country of origin.. AH! So now we really are stuck in a catch 22 - we are cannot register the car here as we are under a carnet, but we are not registered at home as we were told to export.... so we are not insured and have no hope of getting any insurance.

I would love for someone to tell me that I'm completely wrong, but I think that might be wishful thinking!

I would also love to find out more about Paul's discussions with the DVLA to see if there's any way to retrospectively solve this problem; more wishful thinking?!

So Paul, if you're there, I know this is not your problem and really nothing to do with your job description, but any new info you have would be very gratefully received!!!

Jenny, aka Mrs. Deity
Sadly you are now paying the price of volunteering information to the nice lady at the DVLA who has now royally shafted you. I think there is a lesson here in not offering information to Bureaucrats. I dare say you also paid for a years worth of UK road fund (Tax) license even though you were not actually on UK roads

Like I said I am not taking delight in your predicament but many will say "I told you so".
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Jenny - is the MoT still current on Dino, by any remote chance? If it is, there is a possible solution.

BruceP - I stand by my advice. Having the MoT prebooked before you get to the UK avoids any issues with arriving at the airport/ferry port and then phoning up your MoT place only to get told "oh, sorry - we're fully booked up today - we can fit you in next week?"

Not sure what the letter of the law says on this, but I would imagine it's better to be able to say to PC Plod, if you are stopped, that the pre-booked MoT you are on your way to is for that day and not x days in the future.
We did this recently on the UKRM news group, you can only be travelling to your MOT that day, and there is no restriction on the MOT shop being nearest the airport/port, if you live in Newcastle and pick up the bike early in the morning at Heathrow, you could conceivably book in for 16:30 and be ok legally.

But, yes, I was only joking about not making the appointment before picking the bike up :-)
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