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Old 13 Dec 2012
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who can crack this conundrum?

Hey guys - hope everyone is well. Ive got a fairly complicated situation and am interested if anyone has a feesible solution - the more legal the better:

- I am an Englishman with an English motorbike license
- I bought a KLR650 off another Englishman in Chile last april and have ridden it up to Costa Rica
- He had bought the bike and registered it in Colorado and then ridden it down to Chile - it still has the colorado number plates
- It was impossible to transfer the title papers so we obtained a power of attorney which is what I have used for all my border crossings - the bike is still in his name.
- he signed off his part of the title documents and ave it to me so that I can sell it in America.
- The number plates have expired
- I do not have an american license or know anybody with an american address
- a minor point but due to a truly rediculous law in england my motorbike license is restricted to 25kw which converts to 33 horse power - therefore it would be illegal for me to ride my KLR650 in england.

I am planning to enter America in about a month and then head up the west coast to Vancouver. I am sure I will be able to get the bike into america on my power of attorney - however what do i do next to ensure I can cross America without being stopped by every single cop. I also want to sell the bike either in Canada or America - what do I have to do to make this possible or is it impossible?

hope you can help - as i said a bit complicated.

Duncan
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Hi,

If you have the power of authority of the official owner (in the papers) the only problem i see is the restriction in your drivers license so i would get a international licence with no resctriction field...

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No, the problem is in the expired registration. You or the original owner needs to register and insure the bike before riding in the States or Canada with it.

The US doesn't have restricted licenses, so unless yours is very, very obvious (big red letters in bold print) no one will even notice. Even if they do, you are free to tell them that the KLR delivers whatever horsepower you wish.

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Duncan,
Have you tried a simple Colorado DMV online vehicle registration renewal:
https://www.colorado.gov/apps/dor/dm...al/welcome.jsf

If that fails/ is not allowed, a CALL to CO DMV might get someone
helpful:
Department of Revenue - Division of Motor Vehicles:Contact Us
Titles and Registration
Phone: (303) 205-5607
International Registration Plan (IRP)
1881 Pierce St., Room 114
Lakewood, CO 80214
Phone: (303) 205-5602

...or, DMV might tell you to "piss off"

Can we assume that the previous Brit owner is nowhere to be found, and/or
not in a position to help you renew the registration ?

It is a conundrum; good luck
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Hi,

If you have the power of authority of the official owner (in the papers) the only problem i see is the restriction in your drivers license so i would get a international licence with no resctriction field...

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This is a great idea - slightly embaressed i had not thought of this before - and even better I already have an international drivers license - just checked it and it doesnt mention my restriction - will be fine for getting insurance but would never be able to claim on it - they´d be onto that in a flash.
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Also guys - if I were able to get to a DMV office, without being stopped by the police, would i then be able to put the bike into my name solely with the title document that the previous owner signed off - IM assuming that once it is in my name i can get new plates and insurance.

Surely I cannot sell the bike or renew the plates soley with my power of attorney.

also i am very much in contact with the previous owner - would the easiest solution be to ask him to renew the plates online?

Thanks for all the replies - starting to think there may be a solution
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IM assuming that once it is in my name i can get new plates and insurance.
For insurance you can just go online and key in the VIN number and an address I along with the normal name and crap, no plate number needed. I actually insured my bike before I even imported it into the US.
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International documents and the Apostile

It is probably true that I know more about Argentine motor vehicle law
than motor vehicle laws of my own country USA, but I do know if your Power of Attorney was drafted and signed in the USA, legally you would also need an apostile to accompany it for each country you ride through. Of course, this is a legal issue and will not come up unless you have an accident with major property damage or personal injury.

An Apostile is issued by the State, by the Secretary of State, within which the notary or attorney witnessed the signiture of the owner authorizing you use of the bike. There are different formats for an apostile for each country and each must specify the country and the fact that the notary, attorney who prepared the POA was legally registered and able to do business in the State where the POA was issued.

You have crossed many borders and you might make it to the States, but a POA signed in Colorado might not carry much weight in a border state of the United States, I do not know if POA are recognized from one state to another. Perhaps someone can speak to this issue.

Please keep us updated. And, consider all the implications that might result from being illegal if and when it comes time to make a claim on your insurance.

I just recently purchased moto insurance in Argentina and offered my Driving credentials to which the insurance agent replied no need to show a drivers lincense now, but if you don t have a legal one, our company will not pay any claims nor provide legal representation for you.

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I am planning to enter America in about a month and then head up the west coast to Vancouver. I am sure I will be able to get the bike into america on my power of attorney - however what do i do next to ensure I can cross America without being stopped by every single cop. I also want to sell the bike either in Canada or America - what do I have to do to make this possible or is it impossible?

hope you can help - as i said a bit complicated.

Duncan

How legal do you want to be? I am sure that riding it around for a couple of days wont get you caught. You could always get a laser printer and print your own tag to cover it. I just registered a bike in AZ really easily (see this). Online insurance is easy also.
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