Hi Squire,

Yes for picking the bikes and delivery subcontractors are often use, because of their experience and professional dealing with the process.

German market is crazy with Harley cult, hence loads of bikes are transported to US to ride route 66 and enjoy that culture (not my thing, I prefer mud and desert ).

Prices will drop when people get on the trend and crunch the numbers, seeing that 15 + days of renting is not worth the money. Air freighting, then storing your motorcycle coupled with the price drop in passenger segment of market, it's very viable to fly couple of times per year (if the money and time is available of course) using either big legacy carriers or WOW which is doing pretty decent job in my view.

Cheers
Dooby

Dear Dooby,

on my request through the website I got an e-mail from Maximilian Zänker in German, who's mail disclaimer says, he's Senior Manager Product Development, FRA F/XN-D, Product Development, Lufthansa Cargo AG in Frankfurt. Because he responded in German, I didn't quote the mail here.

I can forward the mail to you. Please PM me and give me your email address if you want me to do so.

This mail says that myAirCargo can't carry out private motorcycle transports at the moment and they will adjust their website soon. Maximilan also states, that he doesn't know, when motorcycle transport will be available again. He advised me to ask in the second half of the year again about 3-6 months previous to my journey.

I just can report what myAirCargo wrote to me and you can proof it yourself if you want. Seems to be some chaos in the cooperation between your company and myAirCargo/Lufthansa Cargo AG.
Please, don't blame me for that!

Regards,

Wolle

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Hi WoK,

Do not know what is your purpose here, but I'm sensing that your intentions are not clear mate, so keep my business out if this discussion.
My company doesn't have any permanent ties to Lufthansa or any of the other air freighters.

On the other hand to whom are you connected, if to any?

I do not need to provide my email to you (what's value going to be out of that, I for sure am not a kid playing in the sand saying my dad is stronger then yours ), what you need is to provide proof of your statement, and from there the community will act on their on reason ( ) , like Squire did by himself and then shared the info to the community (that's what we called providing value mate).

Thread is about air freighting, and as always providing accurate info. Because all of us here are obviously grown up man and woman I am very sure you are aware that providing misinformation can cause financial damage to the party that's being aimed against.

Attach a screen shot of Lufthansa's email to your next post to claim it's validity in all other hands you're making a mockery of yourself, and community will for sure make a statement about your claims.

For any of the other serious people here, they will reach directly to either of the air freighting companies including Motorcycle express and others to get info on pricing and availability.

I am just waiting until what length you will pursue your intent and to which extent this is going to act against you

Cheers
Dooby

Dear Dooby,

I thought you're connected to the myAirCargo product since you mentioned the following in a previous message in this thread:

I'm not connected to any company. I'm just interested in informations about shipping to Canada. When you mentioned the myAirCargo product, I was submitting a request on the myAirCargo webpage because it might be an option.

Attached you will find the e-mail (see below) I got as an answer to my request to myAirCargo. As I mentioned it is in German and therefore it will not be understandable to most people here.

Here is a quote, if someone wants to copy it to Google translate:

I'm just sharing information, nothing else.

Regards,

Wolle

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Thanks WoK for clearing the facts.

Everyone else should of course send inquiries to all of the companies and check for themselves.

I am just firm believer that market is searching for more air freight solutions, that will possibly through time bring those prices down.

On the other hand second hand market of suzuki dr's will explode if the airlines decide not to fly

Cheers
Dooby

Reply from Air Canada Cargo Customer Relations,on my query shipping Toronto to London;



Thank you for your inquiry of shipping your motorcycle to LHR. I understand you are trying to book as soon as possible, but we can only process bookings in the system up to 31 days prior to the flight. Furthermore, I do believe we offer a special rate to LHR with our Fly Your Bike program, but the new rates are being released in mid-February 2018. I can certainly give you an idea of the cost based on the 2017 rates, but they very well may be different.

As well, do you have a passenger ticket to LHR? If so, the rate is even better.

I would recommend giving our customer service team a call at 1800-387-4865 at the end of February 2018 to get the updated rates and be provided with all the information you require. In the meantime, I have attached a general procedure Q+A for any outstanding questions you may have at this point.

Thank you for contacting Air Canada Cargo Customer Relations,

I am pretty certain that even if they discountinue the motorcycle program, they will still ship bikes but at rates that are more in line with the rest of the air freight market.

I for one was very pleased with my experience with them.

Also I was able to get a reduced rate to South America despites not being on the website.

Even if the program one day ends, it wont hurt to contact the sales dep and get a quote from them via email. They honored a quote many months later.

So send them an email, get a quote and make a decision.

Jfman

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This morning the Frankfurt Air Canada Air Cargo Office (say that 5 time really fast) sent me the 2018 shipping rates Frankfurt - Canada

I brought a bike home from Europe last year using this service and we are shipping a newer bike back over this spring. For convenience, we are arriving on a Sunday and will have Stefan Knopf pick up our MC and take if to his facility in Heidelberg.

On weekends there is a different AC freight office used for importation (different office location than where the MC will be sitting) who are, less accustomed, to receiving motorcycles. I am not that keen on going back and forth between Cargo offices located quite some distance on a Sunday.

If we were flying in on a weekday I would deal with the MC myself

Other European Countries and Canada to Europe Rates should also be available on the various countries' Air Canada websites over the next few weeks.

Motorcycle Shipping

https://www.aircanada.com/cargo/en/s...otorcycle.html


Track your shipment

http://www.aircanada.com/cargo/en/tools-forms/


E booking tool

https://cargoservices.aircanadacargo...ster-owner.jsp

Would you be willing to tell us how much they are charging you? Or direct our attention to any pricing which is included in the links you just posted? Thanks.

Seeing the world on your motorcycle has never been easier. By combining motorcycle and air travel, our Fly Your Bike program expands your horizons. Have your motorcycle transported to a destination, pick it up, and begin your adventure on wheels. Our flexible program means you can return the bike from any city we serve, and travel on any flight, leaving you free to design the itinerary you want.

Motorcycles can be flown to and from the following cities: • Calgary • Athens • Edinburg • London (LHR) • Rome • Montréal • Brussels • Frankfurt • Manchester • Venice • Toronto • Casablanca • Geneva • Milan • Zurich • Vancouver • Dublin • Glasgow • Paris



https://www.aircanada.com/cargo/shar...rochure_en.pdf

Hi Mark,

The pricing isn't listed as of yet.

Your best bet is to call Air Canada Cargo.

Last year when I brought my 990 home from Frankfurt It was about $1700 cdn if I remember correctly.

There are some price factors that change the base rate

1. If you fly on a paid ticket it is less expensive.

I flew both ways on Aeroplan points with United and saved approx 500 cdn on taxes . I flew Vancouver-San Fran- Frankfurt return. so I saved the cost of a return flight

2. The price in Europe is paid in Euros and depending on the airport you fly out of the cost for handling changes. Paris was a few hundred Euros more expensive to fly out of than Frankfurt.


Regards,

Bill

Really great to see that AC is seeing potential in this market and spreading the number of locations they're flying into

Bill, stop in Zagreb for a /coffee if the road takes you in our direction this time.

Lobagola B&B | design bed & breakfast in the center of Zagreb

Rgds
Dooby

I'll be flying myself and my bike to Europe in about ten weeks.

I spoke on the phone with Air Canada and confirmed they can ship to Athens, Greece. I was quoted (an estimate ) of $1,400 to fly my bike from Vancouver, Canada to Frankfurt Germany. I expected the charge to Athens to be quite a bit more but I was wrong. I was quoted $1,500. Given that I want to start my trip in a warmer portion of Europe in about the 2nd week in May this seems too good to pass up.

We still have to wait 28 days prior to leaving before booking the bike's flight. I'll probably book my personal flight this week or next and just hope that they still offer Athens as April approaches. I don't want to be in a situation where I book myself to Greece and at the last minute Air Cargo decides not to go there. That would really screw up my plans.

The dangerous cargo certification sounds easy enough. There is no physical inspection of the bike needed. Simply fill out a couple of lines of information and check boxes stating you aren't bringing any prohibited items and your dangerous cargo document issuer will do just that; issue the needed documents. You then take those with your bike to Air Cargo between 6 and 24 hours prior to the bike's flight with the positive battery terminal disconnected and less than 1/4 tank of fuel and you are good to go. This is all straight from their website and from my phone conversation on Monday.

I do have a couple questions for those who have done this.

1) The dangerous goods certification needs to be done for both the departing and returning flights. If I understand this process correctly, if I leave from and return to the same airport, in my case Vancouver, I can get duplicates of my certification forms and NOT have to get them done a second time, in a foreign country. Can anyone confirm this? Given the magnitude of this undertaking and the overall expense involved, I have decided to fly out of Milan to eliminate back tracking. Milan is somewhat central at least for where I want to travel to. I want to make sure that the duplicate forms work for not just taking off to and from Vancouver but also landing in Athens but taking off from Milan and not Athens. I imagine most people DO NOT do this and I don't want to be trying to fly out of Milan and then have to find a dangerous goods certificate supplier at the last minute, in a foreign country.

2) It seems like most people fly to Frankfurt. For those of you who have gone elsewhere, can you confirm that the difference in price between Frankfurt and wherever you flew to was not that much money? Again in my case I was quoted only a $100 difference. I don't like the idea of my bike changing planes a bunch of times but that shouldn't be any worse than luggage changing planes . . .

Thank you.

NC

Hey Guys -

i would like some help.
I have been Quoted from Air canad. $1000 CAD to fly my bike from Montreal, to London. and "between $1000-1200" return flight from London to Vancouver.

They mentioned the dangerous goods form that is "somewhere between $150-$250" and specificed if i ask for two copies i wont have to have the inspection/forms done on my return trip, just turn in the second copy that i got in Montreal.

This price is based off me already having an Air canada personell flight.

i hope this information is helpful, and i would hope someone can help me with a Question i had?

Say i send my bike a day or a flight before myself. Once landed, i cant find a straight answer for what insurance i need or who i get it through. Do i just use my current policy? (its from the USA) i know theft coverage is out of the question but i dont know if once i get on my bike and ride off, am in the clear?

or is there additional registration/insurance check ups or anything i need to go through ,as ill have US registration and insurance. I really hope someone can help, and im sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask, but hopefully my info above from Air Canada can help some people. This information was given to me over the phone as of an hour ago.

additional info - i only have 11 days between landing and my return flight. What kind of insurance/registration info do i need to have a bike from the US , in Europe for less than 2 weeks?

Thanks
Buddy-Joe

You need local insurance. Your US policy will not cover you anyplace but the USA and Canada.

The situation is somewhat complicated as well as subject to change. Do a site search and you'll turn up some recent info. For example, #12 on this thread: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-austria-91184

You might end up wishing you'd chosen mainland Europe rather than the UK, since EU insurance isn't difficult to find. But most people would have first concluded that shipping a bike twice across the Atlantic just for the sake of 11 days riding is a large-scale waste of money. Have you thought about renting instead? You could probably save a bundle of money (or hire yourself an Aston Martin or Bentley instead).

Hope that's helpful.

Mark