'AND' search issues

[knnelg]

Hi guys,

First thing is just to say a hugh thank you for the work you do in providing this website. I've spent far to many hours/days reading its contents (I'm afraid I'm going to wake up one day and find its to late for my 'trip' but we'll see).

My query is regarding the HUBB search facility. I'm having trouble getting the 'AND' functionality to work. For example, if I enter '+mundo +enduro' into the search. The result is hundreds of pages but all the ones I visit do not have both the required words.

Am I doing something wrong?

Once again, many thanks for your excellent work.

Regards,

Glenn

[Grant Johnson]

+mundo +enduro

gets me three pages only. Don't put in 'quotes', that will break the search and you will get ALL pages - it only shows 500 because any more than that is hopeless, you need to refine the search. Double quotes works WITHOUT the + and - operators, single quotes don't work.

e.g.

"St Mallo to Santander"

is good

'St Mallo to Santander'

is NOT good.

"St +Mallo to Santander"

does NOT work at all, no matches.

Hope that helps!

[AliBaba]

Search for water =295 hits
Search for +water +abcdefg=295 hits
Search for abcdefg=0 hits

Conclusion: + doesn’t work



Search for water AND abcdefg=295 hits

Conclusion: AND doesn’t work


Edit:
Search for ”water is nice” =320 hits
One of the hits are: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...earchid=771462

You will not find ”water is nice” in the post but you will find the three words separated. But water can’t be in all the hits because water has only 295 hits, or…

Conclusion”Search for me” doesn’t work

[Grant Johnson]

hmmmm....

AND does NOT work, correct - never said it did - in fact search tips say it does NOT work.

AliBaba, your results are very strange - mine are completely different.

1.
water - I get 500 + which makes sense
+water +abcdefg - I get one - this thread
abcdefg - one hit - again this thread.

Conclusion:
+ works fine for me.

2. ”water is nice”
your search link is no longer valid so it doesn't help. However when I search for

"water is nice" I get one hit - this thread.

When I search for your exact ”water is nice” - I get "The search term you specified (is) is under the minimum word length (3) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer..."

the system does NOT like angled quotes (also known as smart quotes in Word) like: ”

You must use straight quotes: "

I'm using Firefox primarily - and recommend everyone does, strongly. So I tested with IE7:

You got:

Search for water =295 hits
Search for +water +abcdefg=295 hits
Search for abcdefg=0 hits

Using IE7 and NOT LOGGED IN I get:
Search for water = 295 hits
Search for +water +abcdefg = 295 hits
Search for abcdefg=1 hit - this thread - which matches with your result with the addition of this thread.

Which matches with AliBaba's results.

However:

Logged in with IE7 I get:
Search for water = 500+
Search for +water +abcdefg = 1 hit
Search for abcdefg = 1 hit - this thread -

Which is CORRECT and jibes with my Firefox logged in results. I'm not going to test with Firefox logged out, as it's 12:30 but it seems clear that it's logged in versus logged out that makes the difference.

Why does it work perfectly logged in and not right NOT logged in? Good question! It SHOULD work the same both ways - we'll be doing some investigating to figure it out. In the meantime can anyone else confirm my conclusions above?

Anyone else? What browser / operating system?Grant, trying...

[AliBaba]

Hmm, I was logged in all the time (IE6), windows 2000.

"Water abcdefg" = 295 hits (quotes copied from "Search tips" example). Same results if logged in or not, tested on two computers runng IE6.

I only use straight quotes (shift 2 on norweigian keyboard), it looks strange in this post because the post is written in MS-Word :-)

If I switch to US keyboard i get 294 hits on the term [b]"water abcdefg"[/b}

[Grant Johnson]

odd... I don't know - will have to do some research, but we're generally not very happy with the vBulletin search, and have another one in beta that will search the whole site, and give all the good options in a more standard format.

I have no time to sort this for now, hopefully most people are finding it works. If anyone else has a problem PLEASE TELL ME - your information could be the key to why.

Is it the user's browser / language / ?? combination or what?

Is it only Alibaba that has a problem, or am I the only one that doesn't?

thanks for your patience and feedback,

Grant

[Tim Cullis]

using google in a separate window

(presumably browser and operating system
independent, doesn't matter whether logged in or not)

mundo enduro site:horizonsunlimited.com ... 11

water site:horizonsunlimited.com ... 3,910
water abcdefg site:horizonsunlimited.com ... 1
"water is nice" site:horizonsunlimited.com ... 1

Tim