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Thailand doesnt require a carnet and I see no reason why you cant get stamped in and out of Malaysia with the carnet without having Thai stamps.
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If my understanding of all this is correct, and if Indonesia doesn't require a carnet, either, then I could send my carnet home once I leave the Indian subcontinent, as none of the SE Asian countries seems to require a carnet.

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Indo it seems does need one..

I myself am trying to find a way in without a carnet on Thai regged bike..
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Thailand is not in the carnet system, theyve got their own temporary import paper.

Malaysia and Indonesia are.

When entering (and exiting!) Malaysia, be sure that they will stamp it properly... we could´ve just sneaked in from Thailand, because no-one seemed to care, but it could bring problems when exiting. Actually you could probably enter without a carnet, but I wouldnt recommend that, can get you into trouble later on.

I would definitely get the carnet for Indonesia... plus do my homework thoroughly before setting off, as to how entering has worked in different ports of entry. There seems to be a HUGE difference in the way the authorities will co-operate. Some people I met were in deep trouble getting their bikes in, even with a carnet. One German was asked to produce a letter from the United Nations in order to bring his bike in at Jakarta airport. That might give you some idea, how ridiculous it can get. Also Dumai and Surabaya ports seemed to bring troubles.

The Cakra Shipping cargo boat from Penang to Belawan worked ok for us (Feb-08).
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i spoke with rac in the uk about entering thailand with my AT.they forwarded this link
http://www.customs.go.th/Customs-Eng/PersonalVehiclesTemp/TemporaryImport.jsp?menuNme=PersonalTem
might give you an idea whats needed.rac mentioned that things had changed recently with taking bikes into the country but had no feedback as no travellers had left any.hope this helps??
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I entered Thailand 5 months ago from Laos. I don't think the procedures have changed recently, at least not as they are applied on the ground. Upon arrival at a land border, you are asked for your passport and bike rego, you fill in a form and customs hands you the "Simplified Goods Declaration". For vehicles other than bikes a deposit or bank guarantee is required.

You are now allowed to keep the bike in the country for one month. The permit can be extended 30 days at a time at any customs office, up to the expiry date of your passport entry stamp, up to a maximum of 6 months. After 6 months you MUST export your bike.

All this is free of charge.

My 6 months are almost up and next week I'm off to Laos for a visa run, upon which the whole process starts all over again.

I was under the impression that Malaysia does NOT require the use of the carnet. I searched the MY customs web site, but there is nothing. Not that it matters all that much to me, as Indo requires it.
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Malaysia was listed in my carnet as one of the Asian countries that require it. It is also listed on several sites on the net, so unless that has changed just recently, I believe they officially do require it.

Sure there seems to be a good chance you could in reality go there without one, at least through the land border with Thailand. No-one asked for it, and I had to walk into the office, and look up the customs officer, who then duly stamped it. And he didnt bother to even see the bike!
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The list of countries on the carnet is not a list of countries that *require* it, rather a list where it is accepted. You find some EU countries on there.

After a quick HUBB search (using Google) I take it as read that it is NOT required: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ut-carnet-3819
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There you got Malaysia on the list of countries, that REQUIRE the carnet.

Theres also a note that " In certain African countries, the CPD is not officially required, but is often used to facilitate temporary importation", but obviously Malaysia is not one of those countries. Maybe it is in fact the same for Malaysia then, but in that case their information is partly outdated or incorrect.

Well, Im now finished my trip already, so what do I care. And they seemed almost too relaxed at the border, so in reality if you dont have it, you probably wont need it to enter the country.
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You are right, it's on that list. But, as they say themselves in footnote 1), the list may be outdated.

America: see link on the left here on HUBB, NO countries require it.

Asia: I have entered Oman & UAE at least twice each and nobody asked for it. UAE made a mess of it on arrival from Iran, when the shipping co. handed it to them in my absence and again upon leaving to Oman the first time when we had to stamp it ourselves after they messed up another page.

Oceania: Aus & NZ don't require it, see their respective customs websites.

Unfortunately, this document, originating from the AIT, which administers the carnet scheme, then makes the rounds everywhere and people like the ADAC in Germany take it as gospel.

Well, that's what we have the HUBB for and Wikipedia, where we can post correct info.
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Malaysia was listed in my carnet as one of the Asian countries that require it. It is also listed on several sites on the net, so unless that has changed just recently, I believe they officially do require it.

Sure there seems to be a good chance you could in reality go there without one, at least through the land border with Thailand. No-one asked for it, and I had to walk into the office, and look up the customs officer, who then duly stamped it. And he didnt bother to even see the bike!
You also have the issue that Malaysia / Thailand have a special agreement that allows them to cross border in ways that are not open to a vehicle registered in say Europe. Cars (from other countries / non Malay) for example cant come into Thailand without a huge bond placed on them, but a Malay registered car can.

I suspect the reason they were not looking to stamp the carnet and no one was looking was the vast majority of the volume of traffic is local Thai / Malay vehicles that are allowed through carnet'less.
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