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Originally posted by vincent danna:
apparently, he (frenchman) is in china now with bike (french bike), coming from central asia :
http://www.moto-autour-du-monde.com/
there s no administrative details on his website yet on how he managed to import his bike but maybe you can email him


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his direct email on his site
i m not sure from where he managed to enter china : kirg, kaz, tajik ?
but he managed without paperwork, guide, big money offer.

an other frenchman who was travelling with him until uzbekistan (they split since) has just entered china same style (no paperwork, no guide, no money needed) from druzba in kazakstan :
his direct email : christophe dot arnaud at tiscali dot fr

good luck

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G'Day,

do not know the bike or seller, was only contacted regarding the Suzuki DR800. any questions contact seller directly, please.

Suzuki DR800 for sale, ridden from France to China.

Details:
· Trail bike, 35,000 Km
· Modified for traveling, i.e. optimized for weight and mechanical
accessibility
· No Chinese papers, but possibility of having French papers (to
be discussed)
· Asking price: 4,000 US$
· Available end September / early October

Please contact Jean-Louis Fournier directly at to_aspara @ yahoo.fr

Best Regards, Seeya in the pub or on the road.....
Butch



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Salut !
Je suis entre en Chine avec ma moto il y a plus d un mois par le Kazakhstan au poste frontiere de Druzba.
Sans aucune difficulte et avec la gentiellesse et l amabilite Chinoise.
Un copain vient de passer aussi -christophe- avec la meme facilite !
Je vous souhaite un bon voyage !
Jean Loup


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Sorry...
Hello!

I entered to China with my motor bike more than one month ago by Kazakhstan at the border post of Druzba. Without any difficulty and with the kindness and the Chinese kindness. A buddy has just passed also - Christophe - with the same one facilitates!

I wish you a happy voyage!
Jean Loup

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Well, this is my experience about entering in china,
i cross the border yesterday (06 september) from Kazakhstan to China at Druzba check point, it was really easy, the staff was friendly, some of them speak english.

They just check carefully all my stuff (two times), and about paperworks, i just need my passport with visa and my french motorcycle passport,

i did not use my "carnet de passage", pay nothing and have just to fill a custom declaration saying my motorcycle was my only value and where i have also have to write the cost of my bike...

i don't know how i'll manage that in the future, especialy to leave the coutry...

they also ask me many times where did i plan to go, i say that after xinjiang i was thinkink to head to beijing an the custom officer tell me "have a nice trip" when he give me back my passport.

Yesterday, on the road, police stops me, they just check my passport, register my visa and let me go.

I hope this could help you
Christophe


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Met a young English lady a few days ago who told me she had been living in Beijing and had just cycled from there through Mongolia to Russia. Apparently even that is illegal and in a place where foreign bicycle travellers have to pass through Chinese police used to stop and "fine" them. She was surprised that it hadn't happened to her.

According to her travel through China for foreigners is only allowed by public transport.

Don't forget what sort of regime we are talking about here. My inlaws regularly host Chinese students and according to them criticizing the Government will land them in prison. Doing it in writing means death.

China is open???

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Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10

G'Day

"...According to her travel through China for foreigners is only allowed by public transport...."

woah! myself must be doing illegal driving (car/motorcycle) since 1989 in PRC... funny the PRC government issues Chinese Driving License to Foreigner living / working in China, makes you wonder, eh?!

quite sure you never been to China and do not believe everything being told.

Best Regards, seeya in the pub or on the road...

BUTCH
Shanghai/China

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I think what she meant (and probably said) is that foreigners aren't allowed to travel between provinces, other than by public transport. Isn't that what you wrote here about m/bike riding yourself, or does my memory fail me?

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Europe to NZ 2006-10

G'Day,

that interprovince travel ban concerns motorcycles only.

we drive cars all the time to different PRC provinces.... riding motorbikes as well to different provinces but getting away with it just being foreigners on the motorbikes....

Best Regards, Seeya in the pub or on the road.....
Butch

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I ask you to withdraw my personal address E mail of your message.

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sorry. grant and i have done it on all the messages.

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My experience in China 2004 was: All foreigners are welcome, with or without own vehicles; exspecially policemen are real "friends and helpers". I crossed the borders four times, first north (near Mudaniang / Vladivostok), second to Laos, 3rd from Vietnam and 4th to Nepal - no problems at all with the bike.

But I know from another biker, Jesus Reyes, who tried hard to come into China from Laos side in 2004 / 2005, and did not succeed - they made some "custom problems". I believe, they are still "training" now at the chinese borders, how to deal (in a uniqe way) with border crossing bikers / cardrivers.

Maybe also possible, that the "security faction", which still is alive in PRC, stroke back; but that will not be sustainable, because China want to be a free and liberal country ("Democracy"), and will become in (much) less than 10 years - that's my good feeling.

I had the opportunity to look into the Chinese Law about Entry and Exit the country, and there is not a single chapter, paragraph or rule about vehicles - such rules, if exist, are all beside and under the prior Entry/Exit law (custom-/security rules, etc.)!

When you are inside China, it is very recommended, to come in contact with journalists and make some interviews with nice pictures (I had about 10 such interviews, also TV); they are very keen on foreign travellers this times, because this is new for China, and foreigners used to be only businessmen). And that newspaper articles with fotos of you and your bike are very helpful for communication with non english speaking natives and (maybe) some authorities.

So try it out yourself with good trust in the future - it only can become better;

good luck, Norbert Berentz (BMW R 80 GS)
e-mail " nobtz@web.de " .

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Good luck, keep far away from the dezert, there are some forbidden zones. If you are stopped by the army, it will be a big trouble to a rider without guide.


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hi all
áfter reading the whole thread it seems we were very lucky in a way.
Maybe the right theme for the topic would have been "Is China open?"
Our excuses to all the lads ´n´ lasses we might have led astray. To go the way.
We went.
But if you don´t go you will never know.


Keep the black part down

Goetz



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Hi, Im new to this forum, but im sure i will be around for a while longer
I am currently plannning a trip from southampton to hopefully, hong kong. So far there dosnt appear to be any major problems any of the countrys i wil be going too. however china seems to be very difficult. For starters i don not want or can afford a guide. so any news on the entering a bike to china, and has anybody managed it from the mongolian borders, as that is where i will be coming from.