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The Chinese do seem to be coming.
There were quite a few such chinese bikes on display at the annual NEC bike show last November; there can be little doubt that they are moving into the UK/Europe market.

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This bike is sold in France using the name Mash adventure 400. 150kg, 30hp, ACE suspension... About 6000e
And is reputed to be coming to the UK in the near future.
Dealerships for the Mash are in place in the UK, as they are for other Chinese brands (yes, the Mash is manuf in China and reputed to be of French design).
The "basic" 400cc Mash has been on sale in the UK for some time and it has an asking price of around 3800 UK pounds which seriously undercuts the price of the Yamaha SR 400 which it closely resembles. Second hand ones, of that model, are appearing on the UK market with the "normal" high rate of depreciation for the first purchaser.
A Mash dealer told me that the engine is based on the 500cc Honda single cyl; the " XBR" engine IIRC.
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There were quite a few such chinese bikes on display at the annual NEC bike show last November; there can be little doubt that they are moving into the UK/Europe market.


And is reputed to be coming to the UK in the near future.
Dealerships for the Mash are in place in the UK, as they are for other Chinese brands (yes, the Mash is manuf in China and reputed to be of French design).
The "basic" 400cc Mash has been on sale in the UK for some time and it has an asking price of around 3800 UK pounds which seriously undercuts the price of the Yamaha SR 400 which it closely resembles. Second hand ones, of that model, are appearing on the UK market with the "normal" high rate of depreciation for the first purchaser.
A Mash dealer told me that the engine is based on the 500cc Honda single cyl; the " XBR" engine IIRC.
I've just found the single page publicity brochure that I picked up a while ago about the Mash Roadstar.
Pertinent data:
Single cyl 4 valve SOHC. dry sump, air cooled, 398cc (the pics show a twin exhaust valve design)
29 HP claimed
FI by Siemans
5 speed box
Electric and kick starter (how handy is that)
780 mm seat height
151 Kg Gross weight
13 litre tank and no mention of fuel efficiency
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It is pretty much a case of badge "engineering" with the WK and the Mash using the same engine.
Perhaps other bikes also, all badged to a specific branding.

Much like Matchless and AJS of 50 years ago.
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very interesting indeed .
Both the bike and the - honest - report .
I had seen the mash , the road one .
Read about the engine, former honda copy
and so on .
Unfortunately , I found a good second hand DRZ with 4000 k' o' clock only which I rode in morocco pistes . The bike was better really on tracks, bumps, rocks, deep sand than the pilot, not trained enough .
My last experience was with a XT on a big trip and a tenere ( first model , heavy as a gs ...almost )
You can imagine the difference !!!
Still a big marge of progress for me ...
Of course, not very good on road .

So this 400 will be perfect for me in a new RTW if i make one .
air cooling - simpler for everything, like fixing the valves ( big work on a DRZ )
fully prepared - i wont take the hard saddles ... like better the GLoop coyote and less weight and scale
cheap ? I dont know exactly .
For a major trip surely there will be other opportunities, like a DL but , on this one , my old knowledge of the unbeatable XT will work !!

Will try one if I can ...
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The price of the WK Trail has dropped to a much more realistic £2500 in the UK (+ boxes) and there's one on ebay uk today: 170 miles, £2050 ono with boxes, bars, etc (so it says). Much more like it.

I spent a day on a Mash 400 (same motor) last year. Nice enough, but the motor (the part I was most interested in, not the mock Bonnie styling) felt no more powerful than my CRF250L or KLX250.

In France the Mash Adventure (equivalent of the WK Trail) still goes for €4900 - good luck to them at that price.

Interested to try the SWM 440s which are now out in the UK - but costing £5k.
More retro styling but could the same bored-out Shineray motor be an adv contender?
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