138Likes
|
|
24 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
I remember all the doubters when the KTM 950 was released - '' wouldn't touch it with a barge pole'' '' I'm not being the test bed with my money'' - ''lets see what happens a year down the road'' all the usual comments - now the KTM adventure are highly rated for the big tourer adventure bike they are and in my own opinion still bette than almost all the other bikes in that sector of the market I was criticised for buying one of the very first to be imported for two up touring (travelling)( I did not like the BMW offerings and have ethical problems about buying japanese products the KTM was simply excellent and mainly very reliable for a very high mileage as most have proven to be. Now I dont travel two up, nor will i do big mileages and need a small lightweight bike for shorter journeys - maybe around iceland, up to white sea in Russia etcI think the CCM will be just the job to do the job. I like quality bits and bobs and the ccm fits the bill. I do believe they have made massive effort to get the quality - and I think writing them off because off past troubles is to say the least a bit unfair - how many companies even the big ones inc yamaha and honda have and still do offer sub standard stuff with big price tags - just they are big enough to divert attention and pay off the press to get what they want written. CCM on the other hand are small and yes have made mistakes as well as some not so good bikes but also some very good ones - after the effort they have put into building this bike, involving customers and on top of that being more open than any company I have heard of - that need confidence in your product. I think I am more than prepared to put my money on the table as CCM need people to believe in them that will enable them to keep moving in the right direction with this bike so I have decided to go for one these, have placed a deposit and an order. I have spoken to CCM at length and have to say the customer feedback and help has been excellent here are afew bits of what we talked about today
Wiring harness is standard ( ie in my opinion - repairable) not can bus system.
Alternator is 2 phase and adequate to run lights and extra equipment but they are going to offer a higher output sytem as an extra.
Three fuel tanks all independent of each other - in case one should be damaged and all standard fitment not an extra.
Gearing in 5 speed box designed to allow at least 70 mph cruising speed without over stressing engine and a 6 speed box will be available as an extra.
Engine servicing would be fine for on the road / travel - so will be ok away from dealers and the factory are trying to sort out a system so you can arrange spares worldwide as well as pre arranged drop off points if you are on route via a particular area of the world to arrive in accordance with pre arranged dates etc.
Complete engine will be made available as replacement if required the cost at todays price is £1550 plus vat ( very very reasonable I think)
Jake.
Last edited by adventure950; 24 Jun 2013 at 21:34.
|
24 Jun 2013
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by adventure950
Complete engine will be made available as replacement if required the cost at todays price is £1350 plus vat ( very very reasonable I think)
Jake.
|
Or you could just buy it from BMW for $6300
http://www.bmwmcchattanooga.com/prod...007728926.html
|
24 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
oops engine price was £1550 sorry not 1350 - still damn cheap compared to a rebuild of most stuff jake
BMw are jesting at that price - surely.
|
25 Jun 2013
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
|
|
"I....have ethical problems about buying japanese products" [sic]
Detracts from an otherwise interesting post.
|
25 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by docsherlock
"I....have ethical problems about buying japanese products" [sic]
Detracts from an otherwise interesting post.
|
Hi Doc I am not trying to make any kind of political point nor trying to put anyone's nose out - I am simply stating something i do not do and why i err towards European made machines and why I do not consider Japanese made bikes when looking at the range of machines available (Japan being the biggest producer of bikes with some very fine engineering may i add). It is not an option i can consider for personal reasons of an ethical nature and that view is by the way not limited to Japan but I am not going into the reasons or any other part of my thinking on this matter - like i say its not an ethnic thing - its ethical.
Tchus jake.
Last edited by adventure950; 25 Jun 2013 at 19:25.
|
25 Jun 2013
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by adventure950
BMw are jesting at that price - surely.
|
Ha ... sadly no.
I know a replacement engine for my 650 X-Challenge is about 5000 EUR from BMW.
I have no doubt that if I could actually source one from Loncin in China, they would bill me about 500 EUR.
|
25 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch
Ha ... sadly no.
I know a replacement engine for my 650 X-Challenge is about 5000 EUR from BMW.
I have no doubt that if I could actually source one from Loncin in China, they would bill me about 500 EUR.
|
That's a canny mark up for some postage and taxes.
|
26 Jun 2013
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand
Posts: 193
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch
Ha ... sadly no.
I know a replacement engine for my 650 X-Challenge is about 5000 EUR from BMW.
I have no doubt that if I could actually source one from Loncin in China, they would bill me about 500 EUR.
|
I have little doubt that you'd find you gotten what you paid for . . . a boat anchor that looked like your old engine. (Not justifying the BMW price.)
Harley makes some much better looking boat anchors, if you like chrome, though they are a bit more expensive.
__________________
Orange, it's the new black.
|
26 Jun 2013
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 39
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Genghis9021
I have little doubt that you'd find you gotten what you paid for . . . a boat anchor that looked like your old engine. (Not justifying the BMW price.)
Harley makes some much better looking boat anchors, if you like chrome, though they are a bit more expensive.
|
Loncin make bmw engines
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand
Posts: 193
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soapdodger
Loncin make bmw engines
|
Just like Ural . . . only a more modern copy.
__________________
Orange, it's the new black.
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,673
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by adventure950
oops engine price was £1550 sorry not 1350 - still damn cheap compared to a rebuild of most stuff jake
BMw are jesting at that price - surely.
|
For a complete engine ???? Surely not.
An abs controller costs 1500 from BMW lol.
That does seem far too cheap for a new engine. Amazing if that's true.
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Touring Ted*
For a complete engine ???? Surely not.
An abs controller costs 1500 from BMW lol.
That does seem far too cheap for a new engine. Amazing if that's true.
|
Thats the price they said if I bought the bike from them - I think thats cost price as they will be buying the bikes engines in Bulk - who knows but BMW do have a tendency to up the price of parts to really silly money. Jake.
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,673
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by adventure950
Thats the price they said if I bought the bike from them - I think thats cost price as they will be buying the bikes engines in Bulk - who knows but BMW do have a tendency to up the price of parts to really silly money. Jake.
|
I'd buy the CCM just to be able to buy engines at that price.
Then I'd sell them to BMW owners for £4000
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
|
|
It never occured to me that a USP for buying a certain make/model of bike is the (alleged lack of) cost of a replacement engine. I prefer bikes where you never need to replace an entire engine.
I'll stick to the complete bike that cost me the same price as one CCM engine. I wish I had the money to p!ss against the wall for a BMW engine. Or if I had this sort of money I would spend it on petrol and cerveza doing a trip.
|
27 Jun 2013
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northumberland, uk
Posts: 761
|
|
Chris your being a bit snobby this subject are you not - remember if no one buys a bike new - then you would never get your cheap second hand bike. Also they are not always loss makers just because you buy new, keep them long enough you get to ride them for many years then sell them for more than they originally cost. To name a few ( Ducati 900ss bought new 1976 £1800 sold in 1983 £3000 - if i had kept it it would be £15000 now, Laverda Monty bought for £1000 sold for £3000 (about £8000 now), laverda jota bought for £1800 sold for £6000 ( these can bring about £8000 now), 80 gs bought for £2000 sold after 110,000miles and a big restore for £7000 (actually just broke even on that one though - spent to much on the restore as i intended keeping it but sold when I thought I wouldnt ride again). KTM 950 bought new for £6500 had loads of fun for three years and sold it for £3 -£3500 but they are now around £4 to 5000 and rising).
As for the CCM engine debate - point I brought it up is simple - almost every bike I have owned has ended when the engine parts not being available / or getting too expensive etc, I know you buy rats and would throw away and start again but I would prefer to keep the thing going and have owned some of my bikes well over 20 years before they became difficult and simply very very expensive or no longer economic to repair - the chassis suspension etc all last for ever and are easy repaired, so If I am going to spend eight grand on a bike that will see me to the end of my bike riding days - i wanted to know if rather than rebuilding the thing ( ie like my last 80gs ) if it would be more economic to simply slot a new unit in. CCM agreed and have put forward the proposal and costing of replacement engine. So in years to come my one wont be on the market for you to buy for next to nowt to ride down to Africa or where ever and drink your at my expense. . jake.
Last edited by adventure950; 28 Jun 2013 at 11:17.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|