I don't understand completely major makers like honda, yamaha or bmw why they abandoned that medium market for some crazy ideas like 1200cc, 260 kg wannabe adventure bikes which nobody want to buy. They prefer sell one big bike a year instead of 25 smaller ones???


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I don't want to test some new brand nobody heard of, I just want my adventure bike from honda or yamaha.

You might not want to buy a "1200cc, 260 kg wannabe adventure bike", but plenty do. Look at the sales stats of the BMW R1200GS.

Bikes like the BMW G650X (Challenge/Country/Moto) were made for a year or 2, before being discontinued.

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Plenty of buyers for GIANT behemoths, BMW GS leading the way with KTM 1190 close behind. Also, know big bikes provide largest profit margins. Do most owners ever really go anywhere off road? Mostly NOT and that's fine.

Abandon? Look at the whole market, not just UK. The Japanese have been nibbling round the edges of this niche for quite a few years, but have mostly left the BIG ADV bike niche to BMW, KTM. Only Suzuki had a "semi adv" bike in the Vstrom starting in 2002. (DL1000 and DL650) (also, was never intended as a ADV bike at all ... I attended the original Product launch)

Yamaha has jumped in now with the Tenere' 1200 (in 2012). Honda are screwing around but nothing serious yet, IMHO.

Among small Adventure bikes the Japanese are quite active with more to come. Consider the WR250R & CRF250L ... I don't think you can buy either one in the UK? You do get the XT250, KLX250S? None made to order ADV bikes but easily converted and well suited.

The Suzuki DRZ400S has been around since 2000, never designed to be a ADV Travel bike. Here owners stepped up and improvised. Old design now but a good one, makes a fair travel bike that is affordable and practical. Hundreds gone walkabout on this bike. Certainly more to come in this CC class from the Japanese ... be patient.

The 650cc class has also been well represented by the Japanese. Yes, OLD designs not upgraded in years ... but ALL good, affordable bikes. None high tech race bikes, rather practical, reliable very basic dual sports with potential to be a travel bike. (thousands done RTW on DR, KLR, XR-L, XT) 10 times more than KTM or BMW singles.

Two of the big four offerings not for sale in the UK. I know XT's are sold in UK and perhaps the XR650L Honda still is? :confused1: In the US we get the 650's save the Yamaha XT's. (we get Tenere' 1200, but no 660/600 XT's since '95)

The USA and other parts of the world still can buy Suzuki DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650. Brand new. Old nails to be sure, but cheap, cheerful, strong and practical. Never would match a CCM in a race but I'd bet would out pace the CCM going RTW in terms of reliability, maintenance and parts availability, in a world where roads of some sort are nearly everywhere.

The Japanese could jump into this market anytime and likely dominate it. But they won't, has to with world markets, value of competition and a very conservative view. (discussion for another topic)
What! You mean you don't want to be a Beta tester and pay £8500 for the privilege!??

I get your point but fact is CCM are not new. They go back over 10 years, we even had them for sale here in the USA with Suzuki and other power plants over the years. I thought they looked nice but I never rode one. In the UK they got highly "mixed" reviews (read: not so good) overall. But have hung in there and now are back. I say good luck to them!

This new CCM uses a well proven BMW (made by Kymco in Taiwan) motor,
all new chassis design with some "innovative" elements. Components are good to excellent. While not 100% proven on the road going RTW, tests posted here and elsewhere remain quite hopeful.

Now it's official: CCM issued a press release yesterday and they mention it also on their homepage. There is now an officially appointed official dealer for the CCM 450 in Sweden, with first deliveries to be expected in January! However I feel a bit discriminated: the UK gets the first bikes already in November. But well, at the other hand: that gives CCM a chance to sort out any production problems!